Is the human race mutating?

JLM

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The horrible incident in Pitt Meadows (16 year old girl doped, gang raped and then photographed for Facebook and U tube) No one at the party came to her aid. In West Kelowna recently a teenage girl was murdered at a party while no one made a move to help her. What are we raising and why is it happening? If in fact it takes a community to raise a child, then our communities are rotten. I'm sure not one to diagnose the situation but I sure do wonder if lack of parental supervision isn't part of the equation. :-:)-:)-(
 

Ron in Regina

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Rape is despicable by itself, but the pictures circulating? Holy **** already.....

From: BC Gang Rape: Second Arrest Made After Rape Photos on Facebook | NowPublic News Coverage

Disturbingly the photos of the sexual assault are still being uploaded to the Internet almost as fast as the police can wipe them off. Looking at the pictures constitutes viewing child pornography and police are concerned that the victim will continue to be re-victimized every time someone views one of the photos.
 

gerryh

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yup....goin ta hell in a hanbasket. Stuff like this has NEVER happened in the past.

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gerryh

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I never say NEVER, but certainly not with the regularity we've seen lately. :smile:


Oh, so since you hear about it more often then obviously it's happening more often. I see.

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JLM

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Rape is despicable by itself, but the pictures circulating? Holy **** already.....

From: BC Gang Rape: Second Arrest Made After Rape Photos on Facebook | NowPublic News Coverage

Disturbingly the photos of the sexual assault are still being uploaded to the Internet almost as fast as the police can wipe them off. Looking at the pictures constitutes viewing child pornography and police are concerned that the victim will continue to be re-victimized every time someone views one of the photos.

If they were shown on T.V. on in a newspaper, those media would be shut down immediately. Isn't someone responsible for the proper operation of these websites?

Oh, so since you hear about it more often then obviously it's happening more often. I see.

:roll:

So a sensible person would surmise. :roll::roll:
 

gerryh

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If they were shown on T.V. on in a newspaper, those media would be shut down immediately. Isn't someone responsible for the proper operation of these websites?



So a sensible person would surmise. :roll::roll:


No, they are NOT responsible for what their members upload or say on the site. Any more than Andem or Ron is responsible for what is said or uploaded to this site.

As for the pictures. There is a 16 year old boy that is being charged with production and distribution of child pornography. There have been no charges laid in the "rape".


No, a sensible person would take into consideration the increased access to information and news that we have today before making wild assumptions.
 

JLM

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No, they are NOT responsible for what their members upload or say on the site. Any more than Andem or Ron is responsible for what is said or uploaded to this site.

As for the pictures. There is a 16 year old boy that is being charged with production and distribution of child pornography. There have been no charges laid in the "rape".


No, a sensible person would take into consideration the increased access to information and news that we have today before making wild assumptions.

What wild assumptions are being made?

No, they are NOT responsible for what their members upload or say on the site. Any more than Andem or Ron is responsible for what is said or uploaded to this site.

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Now you are being sensible. :lol::lol::lol: If one of us submitted such pictures on here I'd suggest Andem and Ron would ban us permanently and report it to the police and kill the pictures forthwith.
 

Ron in Regina

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I think there's always been sick ___________ (insert your own term here), but it's
just easier to circulate photos like these now, and news can go viral quickly in this
day and age.

Without a strangle-hold on the entire internet, it's harder to stop this behavior than
anyone would expect I'm assuming. With rights and privileges (the Internet) comes
responsibility. Those circulating these images should be stepped on hard.

Those that committed the Rape should be shot & pissed on. Sorry 'bout the language,
but it's honestly how I feel.
 

JLM

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I think there's always been sick ___________ (insert your own term here), but it's
just easier to circulate photos like these now, and news can go viral quickly in this
day and age.

Without a strangle-hold on the entire internet, it's harder to stop this behavior than
anyone would expect I'm assuming. With rights and privileges (the Internet) comes
responsibility. Those circulating these images should be stepped on hard.

Those that committed the Rape should be shot & pissed on. Sorry 'bout the language,
but it's honestly how I feel.

A sensible point of view Ron.
 

gerryh

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What wild assumptions are being made?

O....MY....GOD...

would you stop and think before posting, and then go back and READ what you've already posted.


Now you are being sensible. :lol::lol::lol: If one of us submitted such pictures on here I'd suggest Andem and Ron would ban us permanently and report it to the police and kill the pictures forthwith.

:roll: Do you have any idea about the difference in logistics between running and moderating a web site of this size and one the size of facebook or Youtube?
 

lone wolf

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yup....goin ta hell in a hanbasket. Stuff like this has NEVER happened in the past.

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Stuff like this, you never got sued by the guy who did the crime, or busted for assaulting him, or chewed out by cops for slugging him so hard ... in the past - when justice still meant something.
 

JLM

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O....MY....GOD...

would you stop and think before posting, and then go back and READ what you've already posted.




:roll: Do you have any idea about the difference in logistics between running and moderating a web site of this size and one the size of facebook or Youtube?

Probably not and I don't really give a ****. Just the fact the website was sanctioned in the first place means it should be manageable- maybe CRTC should get involved. I don't know the answer, but I can sure the f**k tell when something is wrong. :lol::lol::lol:
 

gerryh

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Stuff like this, you never got sued by the guy who did the crime, or busted for assaulting him, or chewed out by cops for slugging him so hard ... in the past - when justice still meant something.


I never did agree with vigilante justice. Too often the wrong person got shafted.
 

JLM

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I never did agree with vigilante justice. Too often the wrong person got shafted.

I never did either but with slime balls like Clifford Olson and Paul Bernardo enjoying the easy life in Club Fed at our expense, I think it's a necessary "evil".
 

gerryh

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I never did either but with slime balls like Clifford Olson and Paul Bernardo enjoying the easy life in Club Fed at our expense, I think it's a necessary "evil".


No "evil" is necessary. Unless of course you feel that the death penalty is necessary, or that abortion is necessary.
 

lone wolf

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I never did agree with vigilante justice. Too often the wrong person got shafted.

Who said anything about vigilante? Once upon a time you could settle a score between two people. Now, you have to get cops and courts to do for thousands what I could do by buying a beer or swinging a fist.

Where's the consequences in anything?
 

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Technically, the human race is mutating...all species are mutating.

But this isn't the result of a mutation...there's always been sociopaths. It's just that now we have technology that makes it easy to put out there for others to see, and it's human psychology to be drawn to shocking things. Everyone slows down driving past an accident, and not just because there are first responders...they want to get a look.
 

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yup....goin ta hell in a hanbasket. Stuff like this has NEVER happened in the past.

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Sarcasm aside.... Yes, too true gerryh, indeed it did and worse. We ladies who are old enough to remember the bad old days remember all too well horrific things that happened to female friends, relatives, schoolmates, coworkers... Always hushed up and always the guilt and shame was endured by the female, no matter how illogical that was nor how blameless she was. Those that didn't 'disappear' - the family found out (Pregnant! You shameless slu*!!) and she'd be shipped out to other relatives far away or anywhere but her home (What will the neighbours say?!!), or one went to the funeral with a burning rage you swallowed down along with the tears. I'm not talking centuries, it was like that well into the early seventies when women started talking about it and fighting back.

Approx. just six years or so ago a trial judge in Abbotsford, infamous for letting wife beaters and rapists off, let a group of guys off for much the same thing except there was no "audience" and no photo's. He lectured the seventeen year old girl victim on "dressing decently, not provocatively in brief shorts and short T-shirt [summertime], on how she must have known being at a party looking that way with normal lusty young men, she would be seen as asking for sex....". There were demonstrations, demands for his removal from the bench. Nothing happened to him, he's still a judge in the same town. A town BTW that has a long history of violence including murders against women but prides itself on being a deeply religious community (a church on every block, really!) I dunno if the religiousity of the town has any relevance or not these days, it certainly did when it came to not providing resourses, counselling, sex ed, aid centres, police training, etc. It's now the #1 town in BC for violence and murder. :-( Same town where I would take my car to the same dealership for years for mechanical repairs, where the mechanics would be friendly and joking with me and either or both of my teenage daughters who would happen to be with me, knew them by name - friendly helpful guys. Two of them grabbed two fifteen year old girls a block from their homes early one evening, dragged them off the sidewalk into a small park and raped them. One girl fought back so hard, one of these b*****ds hit her so hard with a rock or branch she was knocked out. She came to many hours later, naked and bleeding and crawled her way to a nearby house. The hunt began for her best friend Misty and the two men, the girl they'd left behind was placed in a secure house for almost two years under police protection. Misty's body was found in the Fraser River miles out of town weeks later. The search for the two men lasted months, ID posters everywhere - I didn't recognize them from those. Then they finally got them. I was stunned to realize these two unspeakably evil men were the same seemingly perfectly normal, friendly, chatty guys who had worked on my car many times, knew me and my daughters by name as I knew theirs and the other mechanics first names. Thing is, they knew our surname, address, which high school my daughters went to.... How to protect against predators like that? There's no way to tell, nothing sets them apart....

So, yes, its always happened. The difference now is people get out their video recording cell phones because the media pays huge bucks for sensational videos. Porn sites pay for this stuff too. :angry1: Why no stopping it, calls for help nor heroes when there's observers as well as the sicko perpetrators? I've never been able to understand that phenomena, never since I first learnt that such things happened. If anyone has the answer to that I'd sure like to know.

An 'interesting' note: women invariably receive far longer jail sentences for killing an abusive male partner or husband, no matter how many restraining orders, arrests, broken bones and surgeries endured for years; or a rapist who raped her & got off free to taunt and threaten her; than do males who kill. And on average males get less time for killing a female than they do a male. My apologies, I can't give citations - it was a documentary on female and male justice I watched last Fall, so can only be anecdotal I'm afraid.