Islam / Multiple-Cultures living in these the West / Western Countries Constitutional Human Rights-Will Islam or the majority of Muslims integrate and accept that certain Rights are protected for one and all? - Tolerance for Western Values / Culture - That one Religious Belief will not be held higher than another or even the right to not have any Religious beliefs.
I am against any Fanatic- Religious or not -They are always a danger to all they come in contact with.
Do not try and take this as an attack on Muslims - It is and clearly states that Imams must categorically condemn attacks such as were planned by the TO 18 - By those that attacked the WTC. Interrogate their community and teach tolerance. And yes cooperate with the authorities if they suspect someone of preparing an attack.
Lastly - Start training Imams in North America and stop bringing in Fundamentalist Imams from Saudi Arabia who generally teach an extreme version of Islam.
Why is it that the Mosque in NY City now becomes a National Security issue - Because in the world we live in Islamic Fanatics and some that are not fanatics will cause retribution on Westerners, Churches etc. So do we cave in - No - I have stated all along that this was a poor place to build a Mosque - And we will always have Nutbars on the fringe that will do things that are to me rephehensible, such as burning a book, or a Religious Text.
This controversy can be laid at the feet of Right & Left Wing Politicians for inflaming an emotional situation for their own Political gain and the Imam himself for not knowing what the repercussions would be.
Just because you have the right - either to build the Mosque on that location or even to burn a Quran - It does not necessarily make it right or wise to do. Both cases demonstrate pure ignorance by those that have fed this fire and a complete lack of sensitivity and respect for others - and I do not know which one is worse in their ignorance and insensitivity - The NutBar Pastor or the Imam that did not realize what the repercussions would be - he is either stupid, lying or playing politics - PS - Playing politics goes with lying.
We saw the Islamic world reap retribution when the Danish Cartoons were published - But some of these cartoons were deliberately tampered with by radical and certain ones added - What happened - people were killed and churches burned.
We in the West have laws that protect religious Belief, the right to believe or not. We do not have laws that force a person to Not burn a Quran, Not to insult a Religious belief.
Why is it that the Muslim world expects Govts to stop this - Because they live under those Govts and 2 they have demonstrated little to no tolerance in their own countries for other Religions and others of minority Religions including their own co-religionist of Muslim Sects - some being classed as heretics. Look to Iran and their action as a clear example of this.
We in the West have many Freedoms and that is the main reason many Muslims and other emigrate to these countries - Freedom to practice your beliefs, freedom to educate and improve yourself, freedom to not be taken from your home and either murdered in the street or imprisoned for no other reason than being a minority in your own country
Yet in Canada we have had statements from Imams that condemn attacks on the West - Yet we see in the last case of arrests where the local population is told to Not To Cooperate with authorities. You are either with or against Suicide Attacks and that means taking actions to prevent it. Why do they not assist - Do they not realize what and how many Canadians will react with a mass terrorist killing in this country.
These self same Imams, the majority in Canada did not condemn the Murder of Benazir Bhutto - Why? Because she was against Fundamentalists - She was for a separation of Mosque and State in her beliefs - She was a danger to them. And she was a Women who did not know her place.
Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri urges the US Government to stop 'Burn Quran Day' in a letter to President Obama - Minhaj-ul-Quran International (external - login to view)
The proposed 'Burn the Quran Day' by a small Florida church has sparked outrage worldwide and hurt the feelings of 1.5 billion Muslims around the world. This disrespectful act will not just cause harm to the Muslim community around the world but it will create divisions, hatred and break the fragile relations between the Muslims and the west. Worldwide peacemaking efforts, culture of dialogue, process of cohesion and integration between different religion and communities will be affected badly.
A leading Muslim authority Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, who issued a historic 600-page Fatwa on Terrorism in March 2010 has strongly condemned this action and urges the US Government to intervene to stop the burning of Quran at any cost in a letter to President Barack Obama. He said that individuals or groups should never be allowed to play with the world peace.
In the letter Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri wrote that "If this event is allowed to take place it will not be less than ‘9/11’ in the sense of its consequences and after-effects."
He also wrote that "Such an action should be stopped by the Government of the United States at any cost; allowing it does not fall within the scope of freedom of expression and it is also against the concept of basic human rights."
He pointed out that “Denial of the Holocaust is regarded as a crime in many countries and there is an agreement between many nations that such a ban is not against freedom of speech and freedom of expression because it infringes the sentiments of a religious community.”
The Iman,Dr Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri, compares the burning of the Quran to the mass murder of 911 - There is no comparison - 1 is a book the other is mass murder, more than 3000 people were murdered
He also compares the Holocaust denial to the burning of the Quran - That again does not equate - 1 is a book the other was the systematic, well planned genocide on a scale never before seen in the world by a civilized country.
He clearly is reaching and belives as many Muslim do that the Quran should be protected from any and all that would desecrate it.
For a learned man, he still cannot equate the protections under law and the Separation of Church & Sate - His logic and understanding of Basic Right in the Western World is deeply flawed.
Now does he understand the difference or is he inciting the Moslem population world wide with these invalid comparisons
Many Muslim friends of mine and some that were not had great difficulty accepting the separation of Church & State - That what protects you to practice your faith in the way you wish also protects others even though they do things that you find reprehensible. That is one price of Freedom. The right to be different without being harmed or killed.
Even Imams that condemn Suicide Bombings will not condemn Hamas or Hezbollah - So how are they credible in their statements. To me they are not - Even the Imam in the Mosque dispute in NY City will not condemn the terror Groups - Why - because that will alienate many Muslims that support these groups - even moderates.
We in Canada have seen how the Toronto 18, a local Imam stated they were only boys and no trouble. It was all blown out of proportion
Mr. Alli says Islamic leaders are constantly concerned about the threat of radicalization, and work to engage youths “in a constructive way.” But Scarborough imam Aly Hindy — who still believes too many people were rounded up the Toronto 18 case, and most meant no harm to Canadians — derides the “so-called war against terrorism,” suggesting the threat is largely exaggerated.
“We don’t have this feeling of any danger. We feel very safe,” he said.
And a counter point - This is within the Muslim Community and they must be the ones to address it as well as the Police - They also should come out and state unequivocally they are against Jihadist and cooperate with the Authorities.
The Muslim Canadian Congress expressed “shock” at the developments, but also commended RCMP for the operation.
“Thank God these men were stopped before they could carry out their alleged plot,” said vice-president Salma Siddiqui.
The organization warned, however, that until Canada’s Muslim leadership unequivocally denounces the doctrine of armed jihad, Wednesday's terrorism arrests will not be the last. Radical figures are becoming “heroes,” Ms. Siddiqui said, and leaders in the Muslim community have a duty to diminish them.
“It’s more of an anger and a frustration,” she said of her reaction to Wednesday's arrests, “because it shouldn’t happen. This has got to stop.”
If and or when an attack occurs in Canada the average Canadian will be looking hard at the leaders of the Islamic Community - Many Canadian have little to no understanding of how closely knit these communities are and how being thrown out from a Mosque by Radicals and the threats to their families are an active and common practice to silence Moderates within the community.
If you criticize Islam, it is becoming more and more apparent that you are then labelled an Islamophobic, Racist and other such terms.
The Imam building the Mosque in NY City stated he did not expect and such outrage - He is either stupid, which is not the case or he was more than well aware of what the repercussions would be.
Perhaps he thought that this could be a way to bring to differing cultures together - If that was behind the thinking then many other ways could have been utilized.
Anyone who has read and followed news reports are sickened by the internecine killing of minority sects within various Muslim Countries - From Pakistan, Iran, Iraq, India - To other countries that penalize member of minority sects ranging form denial of Govt services to trumped up charges and that is followed by long prison terms or execution - The long prison terms & executions are quite common & regular by the Iranian Govt towards minority sect and those they consider Apostates or Heretics.
The UN Human Right Commission passed a Non Binding Resolution
Point - Why are we in the West Democracies required to give up the Right to Free Speech & possibly other rights when the majority of Muslim Countries do not even reach the lowest levels of Human Rights as Declared by the UN
The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (external - login to view)
Issue 187 - UN Watch (external - login to view)
UN Watch obtained a copy of the Pakistani-authored proposal after it was distributed today among Geneva diplomats attending the current session of the UN Human Rights Council. Entitled "Combating defamation of religions," it mentions only Islam.
While non-binding, the resolution constitutes a dangerous threat to free speech everywhere. It would ban any perceived offense to Islamic sensitivities as a "serious affront to human dignity" and a violation of religious freedom, and would pressure U.N. member states -- at the "local, national, regional and international levels" -- to erode free speech guarantees in their "legal and constitutional systems."
It's an Orwellian text that distorts the meaning of human rights, free speech, and religious freedom, and marks a giant step backwards for liberty and democracy worldwide.
Defamation of religions and the United Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
The resolution received much criticism. French ambassador Jean-Baptiste Mattei, speaking on behalf of the European Union, argued that the "concept of defamation should not fall under the remit of human rights because it conflicted with the right to freedom of expression." Eileen Donahoe, the US ambassador, also rejected the resolution. She said, "We cannot agree that prohibiting speech is the way to promote tolerance, because we continue to see the 'defamation of religions' concept used to justify censorship, criminalisation, and in some cases violent assaults and deaths of political, racial, and religious minorities around the world."
The UNHRC passed the resolution on 25 March 2010 with 20 members voting in favour; 17 members voting against; 8 abstaining; and 2 absent. (external - login to view)
http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2010/08/suicide_bombers_in_heaven_imam_rauf_wont_say_no.ht ml (external - login to view)
Suicide bombers in heaven? Imam Rauf won't say no
By Rabbi Shmuley Boteach
When you detonate explosives attached to your torso, simultaneously decapitating people on a bus or disemboweling little children at a kindergarten, do you go to heaven or to hell? Are you a martyr or a murderer? Heroic or heinous?
While the answer might seem straightforward to some, it clearly flummoxed Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, he of the Ground Zero mosque controversy, when it was asked of him by Barbara Walters in her 2006 TV special on heaven.
In response to the question as to whether suicide bombers go to heaven, Imam Rauf said, "One of the things that we are taught is never to say somebody will go to hell or somebody will go to heaven. It is up to God to decide."
Sheikh issues fatwa against all terrorists - Home News, UK - The Independent (external - login to view)
Sheikh issues fatwa against all terrorists
Muslim leaders urged to denounce suicide bombers as hell-bound 'unbelievers'
By Jerome Taylor, Religious Affairs Correspondent
British imams must do more to condemn terrorism without any "ifs or buts" and should pronounce suicide bombers as "unbelievers" who are destined for hell, a leading Islamic scholar declared yesterday.
The comments were made during a remarkable assault on the ideology of violent Islamist extremists by Pakistani-born Sheikh Tahir ul-Qadri, a prominent theologian who launched a seminal fatwa in London yesterday condemning terrorism in all its forms.
The 59-year-old scholar, who has written more than 400 books on Islamic jurisprudence, told fellow Muslims: "Terrorism is terrorism, violence is violence and it has no place in Islamic teaching and no justification can be provided for it, or any kind of excuses of ifs and buts. The world needs an absolute, unconditional, unqualified and total condemnation of terrorism
Table of Terrorist Groups (external - login to view)
Khaled Abu Toameh, a Muslim journalist, has written many articles about the inequities that Arabs and Muslims face within the Muslim world. Based on Toameh's investigations, let's pose the following to Rauf as he goes on his Muslim goodwill tour:
How come groups and individuals on university campuses in the United States and Canada who claim to be pro-Palestinian remain silent when Jordan revokes the citizenship of thousands of Palestinians?
Why do Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and other Arab countries impose severe travel restrictions on Palestinians?
How come there is a debate in Lebanon about whether to grant Palestinians employment, social security, and medical care?
How come Palestinians living in Lebanon are banned by law from working in a large number of jobs? In fact, until 2003, Lebanese law prohibited Palestinians from working in 72 professions. Now the list of prohibited jobs has been reduced to 50 professions.
Notwithstanding, how come Palestinians are still not allowed to work as physicians, journalists, pharmacists, or lawyers in Lebanon?
How come a wealthy Arab prefers to spend millions of dollars on a private zoo than build a hospital or a university?
How come it is easier for Palestinians to find a job in Israel and Canada than in any Arab or Islamic country?
Moreover, perhaps the imam might inquire why Arabs have not hesitated to murder Kurds, have obstructed Berbers from preserving their language and culture, and why, in Darfur, Arabs mass-murdered black Africans. All of those victims of Arab aggression and murder have been Muslims -- but in Islamic parlance, Muslims of an inferior level. Francis Bok, author of Escape From Slavery, was introduced to his subordinate status when at a tender age, he saw his African village destroyed, whereupon he became an abeed -- the term Arabs use to refer to black people, meaning "slave." In fact, "the three texts of Islamic belief say that slavery is permitted, ethical, desirable and a virtue. In fact, "there is not a single negative word about slavery." And what is written is put into practice in the 21st century.