Re: Long Gun Registry -Yes- NoAug 28th, 2010
Yeah, but this falls into the trap that you and others brought out in this thread:
it won't prevent violent gun crimes.
And to boot, it would still be a gun registry. You need to have a license number with your license, and that means a database of all licensees.
In short, a system that would circumvent all the concerns of the shooters in Canada.......
A lot of misinformation here:
1. Nor a gun. See section 115 (external - login to view), for a summary conviction you can get a maximum of a fine of $5000 and/or a maximum of six months in prison. Probably you get a fine.
2. Well you get a summary conviction. It is automatically pardoned after 3 years. It is arguable whether this is really a "criminal record". You do however get the same sort of record for driving an unregistered vehicle, and since you only need to register to drive, the analogy holds.
3. Neither does owning guns, read section 104 (external - login to view), they still need your permission or a warrant.
4. This one is preposterous. Yes, it is an offense to improperly store your gun, but having your gun stolen is not prima facie evidence of this despite what the knee jerking news reporters might try to tell us.
5. In fact thousands of cars are seized and auctioned all the time.
6. Regulation is by definition control. Tin hat much?
7. Actually the right to ownership of objects in general is a much discussed and debated philosophical topic. So yes, the right to own cars has been considered (by proxy) on philosophical grounds.
8. Analogously, you don't have to register your gun if you don't want to live in Canada, since it will never get into the privacy of your home without having first passed through a public place.
So apparently that analogy isn't too simple for you. Of course, when you don't know any of the facts, its easy to get confused. But I'll grant that maybe you are sick of that analogy, so try another:
All people in Canada are registered.
You cannot even live in Canada without permission, let alone live with a gun. Don't think that is an invasion of privacy, don't think that can be used for nefarious purpose? Just recall what happened to the Japanese people during the second world war.
Registering your rifle or shotgun is a lark in comparison. All people are tracked by the government, and very few people would argue that it isn't worth it. The long gun registry is a useful tool, and at worst a mosquito bite nuisance to our privacy.
1. Failure to register can be charged as either an indictable or a summary offense. As an indictable offense, the maximum term is 5 years for a non-restricted item, 10 years for a restricted item. Look it up.
2. IF you get a summary conviction, not at all assured. See number one.
102. (external - login to view) (1) Subject to section 104, for the purpose of ensuring compliance with this Act and the regulations, an inspector may at any reasonable time enter and inspect any place where the inspector believes on reasonable grounds.......... there is a gun collection or a record in relation to a gun collection or any place in which the inspector believes on reasonable grounds there is a prohibited firearm or there are more than 10 firearms and may
(a) open any container that the inspector believes on reasonable grounds contains a firearm or other thing in respect of which this Act or the regulations apply;
(b) examine any firearm and examine any other thing that the inspector finds and take samples of it;
(c) conduct any tests or analyses or take any measurements; and
(d) require any person to produce for examination or copying any records, books of account or other documents that the inspector believes on reasonable grounds contain information that is relevant to the enforcement of this Act or the regulations.
4. un-huh. I never said it was, but the onus is on YOU to prove the weapon was safely stored.....a little difficult once it is stolen......
5. Yes, cars are seized and auctioned....FOR CRIMINAL OFFENSES. I love how anti-gunners like to treat us as if the very fact of owning a gun was a criminal offense. Many thousands of weapons in Canada were purchased perfectly legally, then seized WITHOUT COMPENSATION becqause the gov't arbitrarily decided we shouldn't be allowed to have them. That is outrageous, and is NOT done with any other item in our society.
6. The first act of a tyranny is to seize all the peoples' weapons. (see number 5)
I suppose William Blackstone, John Locke, and Thomas Jefferson et al all wore tinfoil hats as well, eh? That is an insult to myself, to some of the greatest minds of western political philosophy, and top a common law RIGHT a thousand years old.
7. See number 6.
8. Idiotic. Unworthy of a serious reply. I am Canadian. I live in Canada. What the HELL do you think we are talking about??? The Bahamas???
You get zero out of eight attempts.