Quote: Originally Posted by Praxius
You know, you really need to heed your own advice first before dishing it out to others.
Speaking of fine reading, I already know Jewish people are not a "race", which is why I quote marked "Pure Race" as a reference towards the mentality, thus not to be taken literally.
Too complicated for you I guess.
You can wrap it in gold, it's as stupid in quotations as it is without. Especially since Israel has other "religions" that practice openly. Which is obviously to complicated for you to grasp...way to set the tone Prax. Please don't cry if this gets ugly.
But hey, whatever spins yer wheels dude.
There's that problem of not reading things properly again...... "he generalized them all based on the fact that they're not "Jewish" and that's his justification for kicking them out of the country they called home for all their lives."
You have to love it when some tries to claim you read into something, while reading into something...
All I did was state my position, not say you were doing anything of the sort.
How's that condemning the entire Israeli population for their politicians' ignorance?
It isn't, which is why I never said you did...
Like I said, at least the PM's wife in this report is showing she's got some brains and decent reasoning and I hope her efforts succeed...... which completely counters your above claims of me condemning the entire Israeli population.
Again, I love how you read itno peoples posts, it's very funny, seriously.
However if the entire population decided to allow their politicians to get away with this action based on the above reasoning, then indeed, they're no better then those politicians...... after all, they're a Democracy aren't they? They voted these people into power..... it's the same thing as when the world judges Canada based on our PM or our politicians' actions..... just like when the US was judged based on Bush and Obama, etc. etc..... they're supposed to be our representatives of our democracy.
But hey, while you're trying to argue about something I didn't do, why not actually do it and make your argument moot.
Good call Prax...
Splitting hairs, considering many of those families aren't going to want to split up, where the parents go, their children go too..... unless you expect them to give up their children and put them in foster homes..... which is even worse.
It's not splitting hairs, the article makes it sound like Israel is deporting children, alone. They are not, they're deporting illegal aliens and their offspring. Full stop.
The title of the thread...
Israeli PM's wife decries deporting children
The title of the article...
Israeli PM's wife decries deporting children
The fact of the matter. Israel is deporting illegal aliens that have children.
It kinda is if they have little money and nowhere else to go because they just lived there for the last 15 years and nothing was ever done until now. It also depends on where they're being deported to.
Well, if we can expect more people being deported back to the Philippines, like the woman in the article, I won't be too worried about her safety.
But besides that, it isn't Israels fault that someone was breaking their laws. No one forced her to break the law, she did that on her own.
Then maybe they shouldn't have allowed these people to come into the country in the first place and stay long enough to build relationships, a home, and a family which was born in that country.
They don't, that's why they have a migrant worker visa system. It kind of requires the visa holder to be honest though. Something these people obviously aren't.
Why do you support dishonest criminal behavior?
I believe it's you who's taking it at face value.
Yes, I'm sure you do.
Then they should have came after her sooner with more resources if she was really that big of a problem.
Would you support that kind of gov't spending here?
If she was really hiding for that long, then how did they suddenly find her now at this stage to deliver her the papers to gtf out of the country with this other long list of people being deported?
What do you think happened Prax? Do you think the Israeli authorities sat back and waited until she got comfy, so they could perpetrate a great big gotchya?
C'mon, use some reason.
Obviously they're not hiding now and obviously they couldn't have been hiding to make a living and a family (jobs, neighbors, schools for the children, hospital visits, etc.)
Why not? It happens in Canada too. I knew a migrant worker that was using the SIN of a man that was in prison. Until he was caught.
Unless you're going to tell me they all lived underground all this time and lived like cave monkeys.
Again Prax, use some reason dude.
Unfortunately it's a tad difficult to ensure someone won't have sex, let alone get pregnant in the span of 15 years of their lives.
That's not the States problem Prax.
If the State couldn't be bothered to boot her out the same year her visa ran out and they obviously tolerated her living there for 15 years.... yes, I do consider it fair to condemn them...... even more so after they use the argument that they're doing this because they're "Non-Jewish"
Again, way to make the imaginary argument real. Way to go Prax.
Ah, going back to petty insults are we?
You must have missed the fact that, that was to cubby, not you, and with cubby, there is no debate, unlike yourself.
If they simply don't allow migrant workers in their countries, then obviously they don't have this sort of problem, do they? If you're not allowed in a country to work in the first place, then you don't have people coming into the country to work and then "hide" for over a decade and start their own families and lives..... they'd already be criminals the moment they crossed the border and usually expelled out of the country in question, returned to the country they came from, or if the situation is worse, imprison them.
I'm sure all the honest migrant workers will thank you for removing their ability to make excellent earnings, then head home and enjoy them. I know the South American ones that I meet here each year, the bulk of which come back repeatedly, like the fact that they can come here, work, make excellent money, then go back to their homeland and live like kings, on vacation for the rest of the year.
They are pissed off when one of them jumps, and doesn't return. It paints them all bad, and risks their livelihood.
Ever think of it that way Prax?
Your position is so much more inhuman then you obviously understand.
Right off the bat, you have the individual being punished/dealt with before there's children involved that were born in the country.
Then there's reality.
Not to mention, it would seem you're comparing Islamic run nations (Israel's neighbors) to Israel which is supposed to be a democratic state..... great way to set the bar low for Israel. Oh wow.... look at least they're not publicly stoning them.
Ummm, no, that would be cubby that made the comparison, I only highlighted the differences. But hey, if you want to read into my post, feel free.
Yup, I'm aware of this.
Which is why it was to EagleSmack, who wasn't sure.
Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
I am not so sure you do. I bet Canada doesn't send them out of the country, but children born through immigrant parents are not automatically Canadian citizens.
They are. There's a Ipso Reid poll on the net somewhere, give me a minute, that shows Canadians are not impressed with our anchor baby problem.
Ipsos-Reid Poll Says That Anchor Babies Are Only One Of The Many Immigration Issues Canadians Disapprove Of - Immigration Watch Canada (external - login to view)
Quote: Almost anyone born in Canada is a Canadian citizen - Even those born in Canadian airspace! (external - login to view)
On New Year's Eve, a baby was born on an international flight as the plane flew over Canada. When the Ugandan mother and her baby landed in Boston, American officials deemed the baby a Canadian citizen to speed their passage through customs.
At first, Canadian officials were unsure whether the child qualified for citizenship, as there was no know precedent in Canada for such a situation. Federal immigration lawyers reviewed the case and ruled that the baby is indeed eligible for Canadian citizenship.
"Our government believes that Canadian territory - and, as a result, the full reach of Canadian sovereignty - extends to our airspace," stated a spokesperson for Citizenship, Immigration, and Multiculturalism Canada (CIMC) Minister Jason Kenney. "This means that a child born in Canadian airspace is a Canadian citizen."
The mother can now obtain a proof of citizenship by applying to Citizenship and Immigration Canada with a birth certificate and other identification.
Almost anyone born in Canada is granted Canadian citizenship (external - login to view), save a few exceptions, such as children born to foreign diplomats.
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