Canadians want better health care without more taxes: poll

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I'm thinking a family doctor can detect something long before it's something that can't be patched up. Pot luck at clinics just don't cut it.
Quote: Originally Posted by The Old MedicView Post

People will never give up believing in magic.

They actually believe that government can provide services more cheaply than private industry can, and that whatever the government provides should not have any impact on their finances.

TYhen there are the ones that want to target just what they see as the bad guys. Tax tobacco, alcohol, etc. more and more and more. What they don't realize is that over 80% of the cost of alcohol today is taxes, approximately 90% of the cost of tobacco products is taxes, etc. Every time the government does another significant increase in the taxes of those things, they drive more people into either not using them, or purchasing from illicit sources. The governments revenue actually declines in most cases.

As to "junk food". One persons "junk food" is anothers sustanence. What right do you, or the government, have in determining what a person can, or can not choose to eat? It is not governments role to do that.

Sorry, but if you are going to tax for medical care, then that tax should be evenly spread out upon all aspects of the society.

Canada has chosen to only allow the government to control all payment for medical services. That puts the government in total and complete control of medicine. Until the people demand that this be changed, you will see the inequities that currently exist in Canadian healthcare become more and more prevalent. As it stand right now, those in the cities get significantly better and more timely care than those that live in smaller towns or rural areas. This has gotten much worse over the years, and it is a trend that will not change.

Canada is losing medical professionals because they can do much better economically, and they can control their own practices, in other countries.

If Canada wants to change anything, they should look at the German system. There, everyone has health care, but they also have a free market.

Even better, we can emulate the USA. What they have really works for everyone.

Quote: Originally Posted by YukonJackView Post

I have absolutely no complaints about the health care I receive in Manitoba.

Might turn me into a New Democrat.

Pigs might fly too.

I have lots of complaints about the way our health care is run but then I am also fairly closely connected to it.
I'll start with a few simple ones:
I require a medical every now and then for a variety of things, being mainly driving, blasting, firefighting and first aid attendant. These are not covered by our medical and although they all ask basically the same questions they cannot be combined because of different bureaucracies and have different prices.
My medical practitioner of choice is a naturopath. They cannot access the medical services money so I must pay out of pocket for that on top of the mandatory $108/mo. Then to add insult to injury the government adds on HST.
The system is set up to fleece users to provide jobs for bureaucrats. Years ago when I went for a vasectomy I naively thought that I could just make an appointment and get it done. Not so. First I HAD to see a GP for no apparent reason that I could see except he asked about 10 times if I needed any explanations. No. Then I had to see the snipper who asked all the same questions and went over the same material the GP did. Then I got to make an appointment for what I really wanted. Huge waste of my time and all our money.
I can think of more from my time on ambulance and first responder as well.
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Pigs might fly too.

My medical practitioner of choice is a naturopath. They cannot access the medical services money so I must pay out of pocket for that on top of the mandatory $108/mo. .

Naturopath!!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOoooh be careful. I had a cousin same age as me, who was mentally retarded due to lack of oxygen during the birth process. For years his parents brought him up to Kamloops or Vernon, (not sure which) to see a Naturopath and of course he scammed a small fortune out them for different remedies, but of course couldn't do a thing for brain cells that just weren't there. Personally I would only go to one recommended by 3 physicians. I'm not saying they are all bad but I think they are very limited in what they can sucessfully treat. Any other opinions or case histories on the matter?
My wife works for two good ones. And she is a ND from Germany from a school that was training naturopaths before Canada was even a country. Im most of Europe MDs and NDs work together and NDs have hospital privileges just like midwives. The main difference is that naturopaths seek out the cause of the problem while regular doctors just sell you a pill to mask the symptoms. Which brings up another pet peeve about our medical system in that the old boys club that runs the doctors union do not like foreign trained doctors and make it hard for them to legally practice medicine in Canada.

That was a scammer that your cousin went to. They show up in all occupations.
Quote: Originally Posted by MachjoView Post

Bunch of idiots. If you want to promote a tax increase to improve Medicare, or otherwise accept the reduced availability of Medicare, fair enough: I can respect both positions. But if you think you can get better Medicare without a tax increase can I have some of whatever it is you're smoking sir.

I have insurance through my employer. But it's against the law to use insurance for core services provided by Medicare. If I can use my insurance in a private clinic, then the waiting time in the public clinic is reduced, and without paying higher taxes. That is, Medicare is improved because I don't require Medicare, or rather I wouldn't if I worked for the same corporation, but in an area where no such law exists.

That is not idiotic.

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