Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy
It's about time. Pot is a dangerous substance and it has to be regulated, that is the govt's job. Prohibition doesn't work. Adjust to the new reality.
A dangerous substance?
HAW HAW HAW HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
Far less dangerous then alcohol, but whatever.....
Right now in BC, there are illegal grow-ops and they steal electricity which we law abiding taxpayers must make up.
Some do.... not all do.... but grow-ops are not the only things or people who steal electricity.
Grow-ops are a fire hazard and destroy rented houses, so landlords lose a bundle.
That's what damage deposits and insurance is all about..... and there's all sorts of fire hazards out there.... like leaving the stove on when you leave, or plugging all sorts of appliances through one wall socket, or falling asleep with a lit cigarette in your hand...... and so on.
Plus, gangsters grow ganja that has THC levels that are way over 10%, which is 2-5x more than in the 1970s. Time to give pot back to the people.
Tetrahydrocannabinol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (external - login to view)
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There has never been a documented human fatality from overdosing on tetrahydrocannabinol or cannabis. Information about THC's toxicity is derived from animal studies. The toxicity depends on the route of administration and the laboratory animal. Absorption is limited by serum lipids, which can become saturated with THC, mitigating toxicity. According to the Merck Index, 12th edition, THC has a LD50mg/kg (male rats) and 730 mg/kg (female rats) administered orally dissolved in sesame oil. The LD50 One estimate of THC's LD50 for humans indicates that about 1500 pounds (680 kilograms) of cannabis would have to be smoked within 14 minutes. This estimate is supported by studies which indicate that the effective dose of THC is at least 1000 times lower than the estimated lethal dose (a "safety ratio" of 1000:1). This is much higher than alcoholcocaine (15:1), or heroin (6:1). (dose killing half of the research subjects) value of 1270 value for rats by inhalation of THC is 42 mg/kg of body weight. (safety ratio of 10:1),"
"Studies in humans:
A number of studies show that THC provides medical benefits for cancer and AIDSglaucoma patients by reducing pressure within the eye, and is used in the form of cannabis by a number of multiple sclerosis patients, who use it to alleviate neuropathic pain and spasticity. The National Multiple Sclerosis Society is currently supporting further...
Who cares about how much THC there is compared to the 70's?
Studies show you need to smoke 1500 pounds of week within 14 minutes in order to actually die from THC intake.... which is pretty well impossible to do.
And considering there has yet to be a record of any human dying from over dosing on weed, I think your fear mongering.
Oakland council considers pot farming plan (external - login to view)
Oakland council considers pot farming plan
Matthai Kuruvila, Chronicle Staff Writer
San Francisco Chronicle July 20, 2010 09:43 PM
(07-20) 21:43 PDT OAKLAND -- Oakland's City Council was poised Tuesday to adopt regulations permitting industrial-scale marijuana farms, a plan that some small farmers have argued would squeeze them out of the industry they have helped to build.
Council members and proponents of marijuana cultivation regulation view the proposal as smart public policy: It would generate revenue, ensure that fire and building codes are enforced, keep neighborhoods safe from robberies and further position Oakland as the center of the state's cannabis economy.
"It's really important for Oakland to be a vital part of that growth and development for licensed facilities," said Councilwoman Rebecca Kaplan.
But many of the folks on the front lines of the young industry say it will change the culture of what they've built.
They say industrial farms will turn a grassroots economy into a corporate one, driving down costs but also eroding the quality of the marijuana, which state voters defined in 1996 as medicine.
The most influential critic is Steve DeAngelo, owner of Oakland's Harborside Health Center, the largest medical marijuana dispensary in the nation.
His dispensary buys from some 500 different growers, meaning Harborside offers about 100 varieties at any time. Permitting only industrial operations would reduce variety, he said.
"Government should not choose the winners and losers but create a level playing field," he said. "Some people might prefer mass production, assembly-line cannabis that costs less. Others might prefer cannabis grown by a master gardener in a smaller plot.
"Let the market sort it out," he said.
The proposed regulations would award permits to four indoor marijuana farms. There is no size limit, but there have been proposals for farms as large as 100,000 square feet - about the size of two football fields.
DeAngelo said he would prefer farms of various sizes.
The proposed regulations would require applicants to have a minimum of $3 million worth of insurance, hire security and pay a $211,000 annual permit fee.
And you will see that none of this will work, because nobody would either have that amount of money to start off with, or simply would consider such fees as excessive and would still grow and sell as they already are.... ie: illegally.
What will happen is that the illegal dealers now who might have that amount of money who are now permitted to invest in such an operation would have the tax man coming after them and asking exactly where all this money came from..... and guess what happens then?
And considering above they explain how such a plan would not only reduce the variety of the product, but also the quality of the product.... it's a waste of time.
Quote: As well they should boo..... it's a double standard process..... there's reasons why tobacco and alcohol products are regulated because a lot of procedures and such need to take place in order to have the end products we buy today, with the safety and quality we expect today..... too much alcohol or substituted ingredients for these products can have serious complications to the buyer...... with pot..... all you do is plant it, water it, grow it, harvest it, dry it out and then sell it.
The regulations would go into effect on Jan. 1 and would allow the industrial farms to sell only to medical cannabis dispensaries.
But if state voters pass Prop. 19, a November initiative that would legalize recreational use of marijuana, proponents believe the city would be well situated for the booming industry.
By regulating certain growers, Oakland also plans to crack down on illegal grows, said Arturo Sanchez, an assistant to the city administrator.
His comments immediately prompted hissing and booing in the crowd.
If you can grow a tomato plant, you can grow pot and grow it very safely too I might add.
Having the government come along and say pot is legalized, but they pick and choose who can and who can not grow it is a contradiction and conflict of interest...... and the average pot smoking community (those who use and those who grow/sell) will see this for the farce it is and will just continue doing what they're doing now.... thus solving nothing.
Moving to legalization
Oakland has long been pushing the boundaries of marijuana legalization.
In 2004, voters passed Measure Z, declaring marijuana a low concern for law enforcement. In 2009, voters passed Measure F to tax medical cannabis at 1.8 percent.
The taxation, believed to be the first of its kind in the nation, was a step toward legalization.
I'm all for decriminalization/legalization of marijuana, but marijuana itself is something you can not regulate in any effective manner...... you can not say this person is allowed to grow and sell, while this person is not, especially when you have no legitimate method of explaining why..... and if it's recreational use is legalized, you can not force regular users to go to a smoke/tobacco shop to purchase marijuana when they can easily grow it themselves or buy exactly what they want, for far less, from someone down the street.
I'm sure everybody is well aware of the booming underground economy of "Contraband Cigarettes" which exploded more and more in profit the more taxes and restrictions were added over the years..... those still require a level of manufacturing and packaging.
Marijuana, which can be grown in a pot in someone's bedroom and shot with a UV lamp requires far less maintenance, far less packaging, much easier to develop and distribute far easier, would make the current issues of contraband cigarettes look like a joke.
I'm all for having licensed growers selling their packaged products in stores and the government taxing those products..... but there is no way in hell they can control or force every pot smoker to purchase those products from suppliers the government decides.
Some will, in fact perhaps most pot smokers would buy their smokes in a smoke shop...... but there's no way you can force everybody to do so, nor would it be fair to arrest and jail people who smoke pot or grow pot on their own since it would be a legal product.
Legalizing or Criminalizing something like a narcotic and expecting to have full control/regulation over that narcotic is an exercise in foolishness.
Just legalize marijuana, make sure those who wish to sell it commercially have the right avenues to take, make sure they follow the same regulations as other everyday companies out there today, but it is illogical to try and clamp down on those who grow it personally, or use it personally or sell it on a small scale like to their friends or local community.
All I know is that the above report and ideas, while on the right track, will not work as they expect it to.