Time To Reduce All Terrain Trails and Wilderness Roads in Canada

dumpthemonarchy

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There need to be restrictions where all terrain vehicles can go in the wilderness. We need to protect the large animals in Canada. We can hardly call ourselves an environmentally sound country if we continually put pressure on nature.

All-terrain trails, wilderness roads hastening grizzly decline, report says - The Globe and Mail

All-terrain trails, wilderness roads hastening grizzly decline, report says


Alberta government not doing enough to protect the bruins, researchers argue

Dawn Walton

Calgary — From Saturday's Globe and Mail Published on Friday, May. 28, 2010 9:14PM EDT


An extensive network of roadways and all-terrain vehicle trails carved deep into critical grizzly-bear habitat in Alberta is hastening the decline of the carnivores, whose population is already perilously close to collapse in the province.

That’s one of the conclusions of a 38-page report titled A Grizzly Challenge, which is the product of four years of research by a coalition of seven environmental groups that argue the Progressive Conservative government is not doing enough to protect the bruins.

“It’s no longer good enough for the government to claim not enough information,” the report’s author Jeff Gailus told reporters in Calgary on Friday. “…We don’t have a strong legislative framework.”

In March, the province issued a bear count that pegged the number of grizzlies on provincial land at 691 – there are perhaps 70 more in Banff and Jasper national parks – but that’s down from an estimated 1,000 bears in 2002.

The Alberta Endangered Species Conservation Committee, which is made up of scientists, conservationists, ranchers, industry and government officials, recommended eight years ago that the grizzly be listed as a “threatened” species and reiterated that call again after the latest bear count.

But the province hasn’t acted on that recommendation. Sustainable Resource Development Minister Mel Knight has said he is consulting with colleagues. The province did suspend hunting in 2006 and produced a grizzly bear recovery plan, which calls for better public education and management of problem bears, as well reducing human-caused mortality and vehicle access to grizzly habitat.

Government spokesman Dave Ealey said the province is moving ahead with habitat protection and controlling human access as part of its recovery efforts.
But those behind the report issued Friday, including the Canadian Parks and Wilderness Society, David Suzuki Foundation and Sierra Club of Canada, say the province hasn’t lived up to its own recovery plan.

They argue that human-caused mortality thresholds are too high, there’s not enough habitat being protected, there’s no strategy to link bears living in population clumps, and there are too many roads running through bear country.
“We need to start reducing access right away,” said Nigel Douglas, a conservation specialist with the Alberta Wilderness Association, which also sponsored the report.

Just this week, two grizzly sows were killed – one in Banff National Park after being hit by a train and the other illegally shot near Cardston which had to be euthanized by wildlife officials, who are investigating. The culprit could face a $100,000 fine. The euthanized bear left three orphaned cubs that were relocated, but there’s no guarantee they’ll survive, experts say.

The loss of even a single bear in a population so small can have a huge impact, researchers say. Still, conservationists remain optimistic and said the number of grizzlies could rise to 2,000 over the next few decades if the public and political will is put behind recovery efforts.

The report points to efforts in the last 25 years in Montana, Wyoming and Idaho, where the grizzly population has jumped to 600 from 200. And it’s not just about the bears.

When bears are in trouble, Mr. Douglas said, it shows that the land isn’t being managed properly and that other species, habitat and the human water supply could be in trouble.

“We see grizzly bears as kind of the canary in the coal mine,” he said.
 

Colpy

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I absolutely agree.

I hate the idea of the bush opened up to every moron that can afford a ATV........and I especially hate the packs they travel in.....if you want to explore the bush, please feel free....but stay on established ROADS....or walk.
 

Johnnny

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i agree also, ive noticed a few times that ground nesting song birds have had their nests treaded on... Then ive heard of people hunting animals from off sleds and ATV's
 

Bar Sinister

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I absolutely agree.

I hate the idea of the bush opened up to every moron that can afford a ATV........and I especially hate the packs they travel in.....if you want to explore the bush, please feel free....but stay on established ROADS....or walk.

Well, Colpy. Here is one area where we are in agreement. Put the ATVs in abandoned gravel pits where they can do no harm and where their noise, noxious fumes, and destructive riders can enjoy themselves to their hearts' content. But keep them away from wilderness and park areas.
 

petros

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There reason those trails and roads are there is for fire management, bust dope growers and more importantly there is "no where to hide" for those who want to hide for various reasons.
 

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There reason those trails and roads are there is for fire management, bust dope growers and more importantly there is "no where to hide" for those who want to hide for various reasons.

Water bombers don't need roads.

Roads make it easier for dope growers to get to where they want to grow pot. Pot should be legal anyway.

Why can't people hide? Quite a punitive response here.
 

petros

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water bombers don't need roads.

firefighters on the ground do.

roads make it easier for dope growers to get to where they want to grow pot. Pot should be legal anyway.

of course it should but police and forestry staff need access to remote regions because people are dumb and get lost on a regular basis.

why can't people hide? Quite a punitive response here.

you aren't allowed to. If you did it then everyone else would want to too.
Too short? you're too short and your mom dresses you funny.
 

talloola

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I agree, protect the wildlife.

The all terrain vehicles roar around the country making
nothing but a big mess, and lots of noise and stress for
the animals, just for a thrill for those morons who want
to do it. The animals are must more important than the
human play time.
 

petros

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Jetskis are just as annoying. They are loud, scare the **** out of wildlife, not to mention all the drunks injuring themselves and children who can't handle to power of such a machine getting hurt.
 

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Jetskis are just as annoying. They are loud, scare the **** out of wildlife, not to mention all the drunks injuring themselves and children who can't handle to power of such a machine getting hurt.

I think the unnecessary use of any gas/diesel consuming and noise making vehicles is detrimental. Tear assing around the bush in them can also cause unnecessary erosion. I really enjoy the outdoors - on foot, not making a racket. :lol::lol::lol:
 

SirJosephPorter

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Alberta government not doing enough to protect the wildlife? Big surprise there. The surprising thing is that they are doing anything at all, that they are at least paying a lip service to it.

Just be thankful they haven't given permission to drill all over Grizzly bears' habitat (remember the Republican slogan, 'drill, baby drill'?).
 
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Jetskis are just as annoying. They are loud, scare the **** out of wildlife, not to mention all the drunks injuring themselves and children who can't handle to power of such a machine getting hurt.
One lovely day while camping on the shores of the Dokis Nation Reserve. Our peace and tranquility was rudely obliterated by the sound of a seadoo, suped up, no cowling, and a huge exhaust pipe, that likely was the reason for the lack of said cowling. Ripping across the glass like waters surface, and shooting the rapids adjacent to our camp site.

Without a single thought of those that come to places like the French River and Wolseley Bay for rest and relaxation. This asshat began two days of torment with his noisy machine.

Promptly at 7 am, almost as if he knew it would be the most ignorant time to start, out came this piece of shyte. On and off throughout the day, we were pelted by the noise. Until the third day, when at 7am the tell tale sounds of it's engine could be heard coming up the river.

As I sat shaking my head at the thought of another ruined morning, I heard the distinctive sound of a shot gun being pumped. To my surprise as I stood up from my perch on a bald piece of rock at the shores edge. I saw my friend, and the man that invited us to this beautiful Reserve to camp, marching determined to the waters edge.

As the seadoo and asshole approached, he raised that shot gun, took aim and pelleted the prick with rock salt. Causing the useless piece of shyte to fall from his seadoo. Once he gathered himself, and rinsed the shyte from his drawers, he climbed aboard his seadoo and slowly putted off home, never to be heard from again.

It took me almost as long to stop laughing, as it did for the OPP to show up. Of course no one here would do such a thing, as this the young asshole on the seadoo had claimed. And though he was covered in small red welts, no one on this beach saw a man wielding a shotgun, let alone heard one go off, over the drone of a suped up seadoo.

The fukking things should be banned. Period.

Alberta government not doing enough to protect the wildlife? The surprising thing is that they are doing anything at all, that they are at least paying a lip service to it.

Just be thankful they haven't given permission to drill all over Grizzly bears' habitat (remember the Republican slogan, 'drill, baby drill'?).

The Liberal Gov't of Ontario has seen fit to not protect our water ways or forests either. In fact, they have assisted in giving it away at an alarming rate.

Not only is the MNR a pale semblance of its once proud self. The Liberals have cut it even deeper. There are less the 250 CO's protecting the wildlife of over 1,000,000 square kilometers. The Liberals have lifted or forced the lifting of development construction moratoriums on sensitive lands or green spaces.
 
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My ex and I used an ATV - one for the both of us, to get to our mineral claims. One of our claims was on top of Takomkane Mtn here in the Cariboo. The area had seen some selective logging back in the 1950s but the roads had mostly been reclaimed by nature. We spent an entire summer building a trail just wide enough to accommodate our ATV. In areas where there were springs we had built cord roads with logs. Part of the trail crossed a meadow and we always used the same track to cross it, I walked and David took the ATV across. Where the meadow met the bush there was an area of very soft ground where water would pool. It was touchy to get across but by going slowly and being careful, my ex was able to do so.

The next year when we came back to start work again, we found that the meadow was crisscrossed with trails and the ground torn up and gouged. The approach to the bush from the meadow was now a large area of open water and could not be crossed. The logs we had put down had been ripped up and the ground turned to mush. In places where trees had come down across the trail, they had simply carved out a new trail instead of cutting the trees and using the existing trail. It took us another month of hard work to fix it up again and even then some areas were beyond repair.

One day while we were working on the trail we heard the sound of ATVs ripping through the bush, spewing gravel and travelling at high speed. When they finally got to where we were, we saw they were two people from the Ministry of the Environment who had been using the trail to lay-out cut blocks for logging. My ex gave them such a tongue lashing I will never forget the looks on their faces. He didn't stop there either. He took their names, found out what office they worked from and then we drove to Horsefly where the office was and launced a complaint against them. We eventually got a letter of apology from the Ministry but the harm had been done.

It is not ATVs that cause problems. In the hands of responsible people, they are simply tools that provide valuable transportation.
 

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There need to be restrictions where all terrain vehicles can go in the wilderness. We need to protect the large animals in Canada. We can hardly call ourselves an environmentally sound country if we continually put pressure on nature.

All-terrain trails, wilderness roads hastening grizzly decline, report says - The Globe and Mail

When bears are in trouble, Mr. Douglas said, it shows that the land isn’t being managed properly and that other species, habitat and the human water supply could be in trouble.

“We see grizzly bears as kind of the canary in the coal mine,” he said.
They'd be better protected if we could get rid of poachers and international hunters looking for trophy game.

Alberta government not doing enough to protect the wildlife? Big surprise there. The surprising thing is that they are doing anything at all, that they are at least paying a lip service to it.

Just be thankful they haven't given permission to drill all over Grizzly bears' habitat (remember the Republican slogan, 'drill, baby drill'?).
Actually AB seems to pay quite a bit of attention to the environment.

Expenditures on environmental protection by industry and activity
 

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My ex and I used an ATV - one for the both of us, to get to our mineral claims. One of our claims was on top of Takomkane Mtn here in the Cariboo. The area had seen some selective logging back in the 1950s but the roads had mostly been reclaimed by nature. We spent an entire summer building a trail just wide enough to accommodate our ATV. In areas where there were springs we had built cord roads with logs. Part of the trail crossed a meadow and we always used the same track to cross it, I walked and David took the ATV across. Where the meadow met the bush there was an area of very soft ground where water would pool. It was touchy to get across but by going slowly and being careful, my ex was able to do so.

The next year when we came back to start work again, we found that the meadow was crisscrossed with trails and the ground torn up and gouged. The approach to the bush from the meadow was now a large area of open water and could not be crossed. The logs we had put down had been ripped up and the ground turned to mush. In places where trees had come down across the trail, they had simply carved out a new trail instead of cutting the trees and using the existing trail. It took us another month of hard work to fix it up again and even then some areas were beyond repair.

One day while we were working on the trail we heard the sound of ATVs ripping through the bush, spewing gravel and travelling at high speed. When they finally got to where we were, we saw they were two people from the Ministry of the Environment who had been using the trail to lay-out cut blocks for logging. My ex gave them such a tongue lashing I will never forget the looks on their faces. He didn't stop there either. He took their names, found out what office they worked from and then we drove to Horsefly where the office was and launced a complaint against them. We eventually got a letter of apology from the Ministry but the harm had been done.

It is not ATVs that cause problems. In the hands of responsible people, they are simply tools that provide valuable transportation.

A.T.V.s are excellent for work in remote areas, for entertainment they are questionable at best. Just the noise is SO unnecessary.
 

AnnaG

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A.T.V.s are excellent for work in remote areas, for entertainment they are questionable at best. Just the noise is SO unnecessary.
I think we have special trails over here for ATV use. That doesn't seem to keep the noobs who move here from the coast from roaring around out back on the property, though. One day they'll get a shock: there'll be signs and booby traps inside where the signs are posted. :D
 

JLM

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I think we have special trails over here for ATV use. That doesn't seem to keep the noobs who move here from the coast from roaring around out back on the property, though. One day they'll get a shock: there'll be signs and booby traps inside where the signs are posted. :D

Spring loaded 20' high saplings work well. :lol::lol::lol::lol: What is a noob? Some special kind of A$$hole?
 

AnnaG

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Spring loaded 20' high saplings work well. :lol::lol::lol::lol: What is a noob? Some special kind of A$$hole?
Noob is a colloquial term for newbie. Basically we get noobs that sell their shoebox in Vancouver for a load of dough, come here and build something gigantic to live in, buy toys, annoy the folks around here that like peace and quiet, and then whine about not having a Canuck Tire store and a party club in the neighborhood. :D