Cigarettes to be sold in plain packets from 2012

Praxius

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Under proposed laws, cigarette will no longer be sold in brand packaging, left, but in generic packets, right

Cigarettes to be sold in plain packets from 2012 | News.com.au

CIGARETTES will be sold in plain packages from January 2012 as Kevin Rudd introduces the world's most draconian anti-smoking laws in a move likely to spark a legal challenge from big multi-national tobacco companies.

The new laws will prohibit the use of tobacco industry logos, colours, brand imagery or promotional text of tobacco product packaging.

Brand names and product names will have to be displayed in a standard colour, font style and position under the new laws, The Australian reports.

The government is planning the measure to cut the attractiveness of the packaging to young people to further cut smoking rates.

The measure has been strongly opposed by tobacco companies who have forshadowed legal action, arguing plain packaging breaches trademark law and amounts to confiscation of property.

The move is part of a Rudd Government plan to cut smoking rates to 10 per cent or less of the adult population by 2018.

Now that's certainly one of the more stupider things I've heard yet. First you needed warnings on packages, then you needed graphical warnings on the packages.... then the warnings had to take up about 50% of the packaging, they couldn't advertise their products for the longest time, and now in Australia, you can't even have any type of identification for the product you are selling whatsoever.

And they thing the packaging is attracting young smokers?

That's more stupid then saying flavored cigarillos are marketed to attract children, thus need to be banned.

I also expect that tobacco stores will have a load of fun trying to pick out the brand/type/size of a pack of smokes for their customers..... when they all look the exact same.

What a load of :pottytrain5:
 

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Could you even imagine if such a thing was implemented here in Canada on top of the already existing laws of keeping all tobacco products hidden away in cabinets?

Oh well.... if it was implemented here, at least the bags of smokes from native reserves already abide by it. :lol:

And obviously because of the amount of people buying them "Illegally" the fancy graphics and eye candy isn't a real issue in enticing people to buy them.

With any luck, the tobacco companies will file their lawsuit and win.

I mean seriously, when was the last time anybody ever heard of someone, even a minor, start smoking because they liked the packaging? :-?
 

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Could you even imagine if such a thing was implemented here in Canada on top of the already existing laws of keeping all tobacco products hidden away in cabinets?
Yes, easily.

Oh well.... if it was implemented here, at least the bags of smokes from native reserves already abide by it. :lol:
LOL.
 

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Could you even imagine if such a thing was implemented here in Canada on top of the already existing laws of keeping all tobacco products hidden away in cabinets?

I could totally see this happening in Canada, they can't really tax them anymore then they do, so why not de-brand them.
 

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Are they going to ban movies and TV shows that depict people smoking?

Well, they already attempted to implement a law that forces warnings in theatres and DVD/Bluerays to have a warning that smoking is depicted in the show/movie.... but other groups went a bit further in trying to change the rating of any and all movies that show someone smoking as being rated R or 18+:

UK tobacco advertising and promotion act in movies
UK tobacco advertising and promotion act in movies

..... The UK Centre for Tobacco Control Studies at the University of Nottingham was commissioned to estimate the number of tobacco impressions delivered by films in the United Kingdom accessible to young people. Merging historical, publicly available box office data and tobacco incidence data for US-, UK-, and India-origin films released widely in UK theatres, researchers found that films rated for young people (below an “18” rating) delivered nearly 90% of tobacco impressions in the United Kingdom......

...... Current BBFC criteria for movies to receive an “18” rating (similar to a US “R” rating) are as follow: …where material or treatment appears to the Board to risk harm to individuals or, through their behaviour, to society – e.g. any detailed portrayal of violent or dangerous acts, or of illegal drug use, which is likely to promote the activity. Concerned about the scientific evidence linking onscreen smoking to youth smoking initiation, and believing that the BBFC should be applying its existing classification rules to include smoking, a group of public health and community groups in Liverpool, collectively called SmokeFree Liverpool, has taken a leading role in addressing this issue. The coalition, comprising 10 health care agencies, public bodies, NGOs and private philanthropies in northwest England, is advocating that local authorities exercise their licensing authority to apply an “18” rating to films with smoking shown in Liverpool. SmokeFree Liverpool asserts that the existing BBFC criteria already contain sufficient language to justify this rating for movies that contain smoking......

So long story short, groups already are attempting to make any movie that shows someone smoking in anyway, rated R or 18+.... even though it's something people see in public every single day, smoking is legal, and movies/shows are generally designed to depict real life and real life situations.... which include people who smoke.

Then you have your movies that depict people using illegal drugs, drinking, etc....

I mean, if showing people smoking tobacco in movies is such a bad thing and a bad influence on poor gullible children.... why isn't anything done about people smoking in real life out in the public for all to see?

Oh wait, never mind, Bridgewater already implemented laws making it illegal to smoke on any property in town limits.... :-?

So going back to the movies and changing ratings of those movies that have smoking in them, I guess that means every movie made in the past.... all those movies from the 1970's and earlier that had smoking as a common theme all now have to be marked as 18+ or 'R' rating.

All those action movies with the hero like Wolverine in XMen or a villain smoking a big cigar are now rated R.... Sherlock Holmes smoking a pipe is now too mature for minors to see, which also means the movies' current rating of PG-13 here in Canada would jump to being an R rated movie.... not to mention their posters and DVD artwork would all have to be redone since they depict Holmes smoking a pipe on all of their stuff.

It's as though you can only make movies that aren't realistic or depict any accuracy to real life and real life situations/habbits, otherwise expect your movie to end up being considered too mature and rated R.... even if there's no real violence, sex or anything else of the sort shown in the movie.... it's got smokers in it, and that's all that matters.

With idiotic, stupid rules and laws being introduced all around the world against smoking.... with the crap about where you can smoke, what you can smoke, what movies can show smoking, and now with the idea of getting rid of any brand name graphics, thus making all packs of smokes look exactly the same as the next one..... they're not solving anything.

You can try and hide smoking away as best as you think you can, but it'll never go away, it is still legal and the only real solution one has at combating minors and smoking..... Is good old fashion education of your damn child.

And we all know what happens to children who are simply told not to do something and have it continually hidden from them..... their ignorance breeds curiosity and curiosity breeds action into learning more, usually by trying something first hand.
 

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In related Aussie News in regards to their tobacco sales/products:

Smokers swamp stores before deadline
Smokers swamp stores before deadline | News.com.au

RETAIL chains reported an unprecedented rush on cigarettes last night ahead of Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's 25 per cent price rise, with some doubling their daily sales within a matter of hours.

One woman was refused service at a Woolworths in the Canberra suburb of Belconnen after trying to buy $5000 worth of cigarettes before the midnight deadline.

She was knocked back because Woolworths imposes a limit of five cartons per person.

Another Canberra Woolworths store reported sales of $23,000 by 6.30pm yesterday - the supermarket's average daily tobacco turnover is $10,000.

Coles last night said it had imposed a three carton limit per customer to deal with the rush.

"We've seen a solid rush for cigarettes throughout the afternoon," a Coles spokesman said. "We've imposed a three carton limit to deal with it."

Mr Rudd claimed yesterday that the timing of the policy announcement, applauded by health groups across the nation, was determined by the Australian Tax Office to avoid a rush.

It was not a smokescreen for the Government's political bungles.

However, major retail chains last night were reporting exactly that, with claims smokers had swamped stores in a bid to stockpile before the $2.16 price rise that Mr Rudd announced at midday yesterday.

"Yes, it's been significant," a Woolworths spokesman said. "Sales are through the roof. Stores were reporting a surge in sales in the afternoon and it increased progressively through the night.

"None are reporting to have run out, we haven't cleared the shelves but there is stockpiling going on."

In an unintended consequence of the snap announcement supermarkets and small retailers were warning that many stores would not be able to physically change the prices on the cigarettes and the registers by the midnight deadline.

The Australian Retailers Association warned of an increase in black market cigarettes.

"It is easier to counterfeit a product that isn't branded," a spokesman said.

He he he he..... That plan worked like a charm, like the day before christmas. :lol: