Why Both Immigration AND Big Stimulus Spending?

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

Actually immigrants don't really take jobs; they create them. How can this be? Simple. When immigrants arrive they usually have nothing. As a result they buy things such as household items, cars, and eventually houses. All of this purchasing stimulates the economy actually creating more jobs than the immigrants take.

Quote: Originally Posted by Bar Sinister

Actually immigrants don't really take jobs; they create them. How can this be? Simple. When immigrants arrive they usually have nothing. As a result they buy things such as household items, cars, and eventually houses. All of this purchasing stimulates the economy actually creating more jobs than the immigrants take.

Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny

Its because our government wants to lower our dependence ratio or soemthign like that

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

Dependence on what? This doesn't make sense to me, but then politics doesn't make sense to me. Is it sensible to hire (elect) a bunch of crooks and retards every four years to run this country? And we call it democracy. Are we that stupid?

Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny

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bring em here give em jobs, then tax em

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

I guess somebody has to pay all those guys sitting and drinking in bars all day complaining that foreigners have taken all the jobs away from them.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

I guess somebody has to pay all those guys sitting and drinking in bars all day complaining that foreigners have taken all the jobs away from them.

Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy

About 250,000 mmigrants come to Canada each year. To take the jobs many Cdns don't want such as agricultural workers, fast food workers, and live in nannies etc. There are jobs available in the country, despite the recession, but the pay is lousy.

There are jobs out there, so why are govts spending billions of dollars, increasing the debt, and future taxes, on stimulus projects to create jobs? When a fair number already exist.

Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny

i go to the bar to watch hockey , if that was a cheap shot at me you missed, someone **** in your cornflakes this morning cliffy?

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Johnnny. I stopped watching hockey because it a was all foreign players. Go figure eh?

Quote: Originally Posted by Johnnny

i dont care lol, you think i hate foreigners ?

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

We're all foreigners.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy

I think more like we are all aliens.

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG

I would think that increasing employment would be the way to counter recessions. So far, I haven't seen stimulus packages do much of that, though.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

Were you given more money to spend?

Quote: Originally Posted by AnnaG

Nope. I took a drop in income since my shop died because of lack of business.

Quote: Originally Posted by SirJosephPorter

I am not sure that the stimulus package and jobs are related. The original Bush stimulus package (which Republicans enthusiastically supported, but they opposed Obama stimulus package out of partisan politics) was more designed to avoid financial disaster, to avoid falling into a depression.

After Lehman Brothers went belly up, we were looking into an abyss. The credit market has frozen completely, nobody was lending to anybody. Luckily it was weekend, so the situation was not dire, yet. If the situation had continued, we may have had a full fledged depression in a couple of weeks. Nothing moves without credit, the whole economy would have come to a standstill.

Canada’s stimulus money was really for the same purpose. Now, stimulus would be expected to create new jobs and save existing jobs (it would provide money for the teachers, the police etc., who would have to be laid off if the government has no money). To that extent, one could say it was jobs oriented. But the real purpose of the stimulus package was to get the credit flowing once again, to avoid a depression.

Quote: Originally Posted by petros

So why were the ones who collect money given the taxpayers' stimlus funds while the taxpayer whose money is the stimulus were given nothing?

Can anyone honestly support a political party without feeling like a stooge?

Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy

SJP, you're talking mostly the US when you bring up Lehman Bros. Our banks are better managed, they can't enter risky businesses like derivatives, so they not on the wild side of "banking." It is in the US that people are taking any job available, not in the Great White North.

To say the stimulus package and immigration are not related is simply not so. Although that is the perception in the media. Most people who work in the media and politics have little direct contact with immigrants. How many people from China or Egypt apply for jobs at The Globe and Mail/Vancouver Sun/CTV/CBC/Liberal party/NDP for example. Near zero. I get the feeling that the media lives in another world on this topic.

Quote: Originally Posted by dumpthemonarchy

SJP, you're talking mostly the US when you bring up Lehman Bros.