Mohawk Racial Discrimination In Ontario

dumpthemonarchy

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This is a disgrace, using race and blood to discriminate against people. The Charter of Rights and Freedoms should be invoked here by the federal gov't to prevent this travesty of justice. The Kahnawake Mohawks are evicting residents who do not have the right bloodlines. That is, they are too white.

The politically correct here are stymied, they want to help the Mohawks because they are downtrodden victims and they are good for the mulitcultural business, but they themselves purportedly don't even believe in the existence of race or in racial discrimination. They have got to take a stand.

Canada and the Charter are about civic nationalism, not ethnic nationalism-which expressed itself in a very ugly way in the former Yugoslavia a few years back.


The Mohawk affair is an affront to all - The Globe and Mail

Lysiane Gagnon

The Mohawk affair is an affront to all

The Canadian Press

Why would Quebec and Canada tolerate the trampling of people's basic rights by a policy based on bloodline?

Lysiane Gagnon

Published on Friday, Feb. 12, 2010 8:24PM EST Last updated on Monday, Feb. 15, 2010 1:33PM EST


Is it ethnic cleansing or downright racism? In either case, it has no place in Canada.
The band council of Kahnawake, a Mohawk reserve south of Montreal, has given 10 days to 26 non-Mohawks to leave the reserve. Most of them are non-native men living with Mohawk women. Families will be broken up and husbands and fathers expelled from their homes – unless the women follow their partners off the reserve. But if they do so, they – and their children – will lose their family homes and their ancestral rights. (Interestingly, aboriginal men married to non-native women are not subject to orders of expulsion, proving that racism and sexism often go hand in hand.)

Why would Quebec and Canada tolerate the trampling of people's basic individual rights by a policy based on bloodline? The Quebec government is looking the other way on the pretext that Indian affairs is under federal jurisdiction, and no one raised a question in the National Assembly. Last week, Indian Affairs Minister Chuck Strahl lamely said that, even though he didn't like the band council's decision, he couldn't do anything since the move is legal and the first nations are “sovereign” on their lands.

The NDP's Thomas Mulcair washed his hands of the controversy. He said he understands the Mohawks who want to preserve their culture, and he understands the “other Canadians” who dislike racial discrimination. So, presumably, he believes both sides are right and there's no problem.

Michael Ignatieff was the only party leader who clearly disapproved of the expulsion orders. “It is unacceptable to divide already established families,” he said in a written statement. (The formulation is ambiguous, though. Would the Liberal leader accept a band policy that would forbid aboriginals from establishing families with non-natives? His director of communications told me Mr. Ignatieff would condemn such a policy, too.)

The only group to publicly protest against the expulsion orders at Kahnawake was Quebec Native Women. Its president, Ellen Gabriel, herself a Mohawk living on the Kanesatake reserve near Montreal, said the Indian Affairs Minister has the power to invalidate the council's decision – an opinion corroborated by several jurists interviewed in the media. Ms. Gabriel insists that disallowing intermarriage is not part of the Mohawk tradition: “Adoption of non-Mohawks was, and still is, a common practice,” she told the Montreal Gazette, “and includes ceremonies to welcome non-residents who have committed to learn the Mohawk language and uphold Mohawk traditions.”

The Kahnawake Mohawks have been trying to expel non-natives since 1981 on the grounds their culture will disappear if too many non-natives settle on the reserve. They're in a special situation, as compared with those groups whose reserves are far from cities. Since they live close to Montreal, they have easy access to a large job market and have become quite prosperous while benefiting from fiscal privileges granted to reserve residents.

Since they charge no taxes, they've been running successful small businesses selling underpriced cigarettes for years. They also own several casinos and a golf club. On the other hand, their proximity to Montreal makes them more exposed to the “risk” of meeting and falling in love with non-natives. But, as Ms. Gabriel said, integration – not rejection – is the solution. In any case, the concept of “racial purity” is completely obsolete in today's world.

Of course, the affair is quite murky, if only because the federal government itself is the prime culprit for having maintained an apartheid-like system of reserves based on ethnicity. And all provincial governments live in terror of seeing a group of aboriginal militants erect barricades on roads or bridges. What Quebec politicians see in their nightmares is the Mercier bridge, which links the island of Montreal to the southwest part of the province – via the Kahnawake reserve.
 

Nuggler

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Canada would allow that to happen? I sure hope not.


Tis underway as we speak. No politicos have the balls to stop it. At least not during the olympics.

There would be such a demonstration by our red "brothers" as to make the homeless demonstration seem puny in comparison.

Plus, the indians have guns, and will use them, and the cops are scared since Dudley George was offed by an officer of the Crown.

That movement you just felt was a tail wagging a dog.
:angry3:
 

lone wolf

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IMO this land claims thing has to be sorted out and settled in a reasonable manner. Union tactics / management tactics aren't going to do it ... but they ARE going to be the birthplace of ill will for everyone - and it will backfire.
 

taxslave

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Didn't you know that it is only white males that are required to be PC? Everyone else can pretty much do and say what they want.
 

Colpy

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This is getting bloody ridiculous....there is NO excuse for allowing this to happen at Kahnawake.

This, and the situation in Ontario, are completely unacceptable.

Being native should not be an excuse to violate peoples' basic rights, you are expected to respect the fundamental rights of Canadians, if you wish yours to be respected.

Neither this, nor the on-going problem in Ontario are acceptable. The full force of the law needs to be brought down on both areas..........
 

Nuggler

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This is getting bloody ridiculous....there is NO excuse for allowing this to happen at Kahnawake.

This, and the situation in Ontario, are completely unacceptable.

Being native should not be an excuse to violate peoples' basic rights, you are expected to respect the fundamental rights of Canadians, if you wish yours to be respected.

Neither this, nor the on-going problem in Ontario are acceptable. The full force of the law needs to be brought down on both areas..........


But they are not Canadians. They have their own land and govern it and finance it all
by themse...............er...........uh.

They are gods-fearing hard wor........................er....

We don't have enough troops to stop the smuggling, the proceeds of which are evenly distrib..........................uh.............er..

Anyway, the white eyes are in the wrong!!!

Damn straight!!!
 

Johnnny

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Is it ethnic cleansing or downright racism? In either case, it has no place in Canada.
The band council of Kahnawake, a Mohawk reserve south of Montreal, has given 10 days to 26 non-Mohawks to leave the reserve. Most of them are non-native men living with Mohawk women. Families will be broken up and husbands and fathers expelled from their homes – unless the women follow their partners off the reserve. But if they do so, they – and their children – will lose their family homes and their ancestral rights. (Interestingly, aboriginal men married to non-native women are not subject to orders of expulsion, proving that racism and sexism often go hand in hand.)

Someone must have been whiskey drunk when they decided this
 

ironsides

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Drums of Thunder?

They are Canadians, and yes they do own this land atleast historically. What they do on their reservation or what ever you call it is their business. As long as they abide by basic Canadian laws set down when they signed or were coerced into a treaty is all the law they have to obey.

Hmm similar story as another topic.
 
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lone wolf

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Drums of Thunder?

They are Canadians, and yes they do own this land atleast historically. What they do on their reservation or what ever you call it is their business. As long as they abide by basic Canadian laws set down when they signed or were coerced into a treaty is all the law they have to obey.

Hmm similar story as another topic.


If one is a part of the Land, how can one own it? Land ownership isn't a traditional thing. Territory is.
 

L Gilbert

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Land granted to aborigines is theirs to do what they please. If they rent it out, allow squatters on it, let it do its own thing, till it, paint it purple, it's up to them.
As far as owning land goes. we can't own land any more than a bird can own the tree it lives in. We use it for a while and then move on.
 

Cliffy

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The Indian Act says that a non-native guy can marry a native woman but she loses her status. A native guy can marry a non-native woman and she can become status. That is not tradition,that is imposed by our society. It sounds like they are evicting non-status people from the reserve using the Indian Act as an excuse or reason. This is also not traditional but fully within the rights set forth in the Indian Act, which they did not sign nor were they consulted during its drafting.

Politicians cannot say anything since it is the government that made up the rules. If they object, they would have to rewrite the act or trash it. Trashing it would lead to a legal battle they are not willing to fight and rewriting it would have to involve the aboriginal people and would have to acknowledge the fact that the Indian Act was an attempt at apartheid in the first place. A case of damned if you don't and damned if you do.
 

Machjo

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I think Gabriel's position is quite reasonable. We welcome all who make a reasonable effort to integrate into Canadian society. Why could the Mohawk not welcome all who make a reasonable effort to learn the Mohawk language and culture and integrate into Mohawk society?
 

Bar Sinister

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This issue has been gaining ground for a number of years as more and more women with aboriginal heritage marry outside their ethnic group. It has resulted in more and more non-aboriginals living on reserves, thus undermining the status quo. Naturally the males who tend to run these reserves are somewhat upset at the fact that there are a number males living on the reserves that don't necessarily think the way that they do. Since aboriginal women do not have equal status with men in that their spouses are not accorded the same privileges as women who marry aboriginals they are at a disadvantage in this showdown. We'll just have to wait and see how this works out, as the Federal government does not have much of a say in this matter.
 

L Gilbert

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This issue has been gaining ground for a number of years as more and more women with aboriginal heritage marry outside their ethnic group. It has resulted in more and more non-aboriginals living on reserves, thus undermining the status quo. Naturally the males who tend to run these reserves are somewhat upset at the fact that there are a number males living on the reserves that don't necessarily think the way that they do. Since aboriginal women do not have equal status with men in that their spouses are not accorded the same privileges as women who marry aboriginals they are at a disadvantage in this showdown. We'll just have to wait and see how this works out, as the Federal government does not have much of a say in this matter.
rofl "Naturally the males who tend to run these reserves are somewhat upset at the fact that there are a number males living on the reserves that don't necessarily think the way that they do." Comical. I've visited quite a few and have witnessed many aboriginals that can't think the way other aboriginals in their own bands think. All those red guys think alike, don't you know? lmao