Neanderthal man found in Poland

Neanderthal man found in Poland

02.02.2010 08:37
The fossilised remains of a males from the Neanderthal period have been found in the Stajnia cave, in Bobolice, around 50 kilometres from Katowice, southern Poland.

(audio report by Slawek Szefs)

The find is evidence that pre-historic communities lived there at least 100,000 years ago. Parts of three bodies have been discovered by scientists from Szczecin University, cooperating with Wrocław University in what scientists say is a fantastic find.

Archaeologist Mikołaj Urbanowski told Polskie Radio that not only the remains of a pre-historic man were found in Poland, but there is also reason to believe that the bodies may have been buried. If proven, this would be a breakthrough discovery, as theories so far claimed that the Neanderthal men did not bury their dead.

“We found the remains of not one, but three people. Some facts seem to suggest that the site may have been a burial place,” he said.

The Stajnia cave is the first place in the whole of Central East Europe where evidence of Neanderthal man has been found. So far in Poland, only tools used by the Neanderthal people have been recovered.

This is the second amazing archaeological find announced in Poland within a month. In January, scientists from Poland and Sweden announced they had found
tracks of footprints of a tetrapod which proved that animals climbed out of the water much earlier than originally thought. (jn/pg)

  • Deb 02.02.2010 17:50 I am excited and encouraged to see a such a great country rich in history and culture come into its own with such great archeological finds! Poland has known such hardship that it is fantastic to see its doors open and the scientific community take an interest. Deb
that is very exciting, thanks for info.
Not surprising, I've run into a few of them in CAnada. LOL
Neanderthals or Neandertals are a species of genus Homo who inhabited Europe and parts of what is now western Asia during the last ice age. They seem to have been well adapted to extreme cold, but appear to have had difficulty adapting to climatic changes near the end of the ice age. The first such fossils were found in 1856 near Düsseldorf in the Neander valley in Germany. Their characteristic style of stone tools is called the Mousterian Culture, after another prominent archaeological site.
The name Neanderthal is now spelled both ways. The older German word Thal, meaning "valley" was changed to Tal in the early 20th century, but the former spelling is used in English and in scientific names, while the modern spelling is used in German. In any case, the correct pronunciation is with a "t", not a "th". The Neander derives from the church poet Joachim Neander who got his inspiration in this steep valley of the small river Düssel. The valley was named in his honor in the early 19th century.
Neanderthals apparently co-existed with anatomically modern humans beginning some 100,000 years ago. However, about 45,000 years ago, at about the time that stoneworking techniques similar to those of Cro-Magnon people appeared in Europe, Neanderthals began to be displaced. Despite this, populations of Neanderthals held on for thousands of years in regional pockets such as modern-day Croatia and the Iberian and Crimean peninsulas. Cro-Magnon are considered by most authorities to have been behaviorally modern Homo sapiens; they were certainly anatomically modern.
There is considerable debate about whether Cro-Magnon people accelerated the demise of the Neanderthals, but the timing suggests that the developing behavior patterns of Cro-Magnon may have had considerable impact on the process. Jared Diamond has compared the likely interaction between Cro-Magnon people and Neanderthals to the genocides suffered by indigenous peoples in recent human history. However, other authors have pointed out that even a small selective advantage on the part of modern humans in competition for food could account for Neanderthals' replacement on a timescale short compared with the resolution of the archaeological record, even in the absence of violent physical conflict or an asymmetry of susceptibility to pathogens. Neanderthals were stout and extraordinarily powerful, with cranial capacities as large or larger than Cro-Magnons. Nevertheless one school of thought holds that they were outcompeted by Cro-Magnons because they lacked complex language & therefore the ability to pass on more than rudimentary knowledge to their descendants.
Neanderthal (Middle Paleolothic) archeological sites show both a smaller and a less flexible toolkit than in the Upper Paleolithic sites, occupied by modern humans, that replaced them. There is no evidence that Neanderthals used antlers, shell, or other bone materials to make tools. Their burials are much less elaborate than those of anatomically modern humans, though much has been made of the Neanderthals' burial of their dead. Also, while they had weapons, they did not have spears or other projectile weapons; these were first used by Homo sapiens.
Although Diamond and others have specifically mentioned Cro-Magnon diseases as a threat to Neanderthals, this aspect of the analogy with the contacts between colonisers and indigenous peoples in recent history can be misleading. The distinction arises because Cro-Magnons and Neanderthals are both believed to have lived in a way we would now call nomadic, whereas in those genocides of the colonial era in which differential disease susceptibility was most significant, it resulted from the contact between colonisers with a long history of agriculture and nomadic hunter-gatherer peoples. Diamond argues that asymmetry in susceptibility to pathogens is a consequence of the difference in lifestyle, which makes it irrelevant in the context of the analogy in which he invokes it.
Popular literature has tended to greatly exaggerate the ape-like gait and related characteristics of the Neanderthals. It has been determined that some of the earliest specimens found in fact suffered from severe arthritis. The Neanderthals were fully bipedal and had a slightly larger average brain capacity than that of a typical modern human (though the brain structure was organised somewhat differently).
Both the Neanderthals' place in the human family tree and their relation to modern Europeans has been hotly debated ever since their discovery. They have been classified as a separate species (Homo neanderthalensis) and as a subspecies of Homo sapiens (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis) at different times. The consensus has been, based on ongoing DNA research, that they were a separate branch of the genus Homo, and that modern humans are not descended from them (fitting with the single-origin hypothesis). Some recent genetic research has pointed toward the possibility that the gene responsible for red-hair and freckles in modern Europeans had Neanderthal origins (at least partially indicating support for a multiregion origin). In addition to the genetic research, the shapes of the Neanderthal and modern human skulls are significantly different, in ways that make it unlikely that Homo sapiens is descended from Neanderthals.
In popular idiom the word Neanderthal is sometimes used as an insult, to suggest that a person combines a deficiency of intelligence and an attachment to brute force. Counterbalancing this are sympathetic literary portrayals of Neanderthals as in the novel The Inheritors by William Golding, and in science fiction stories in which a Neanderthal is brought into the present as an application of time travel.

My dad always said i got my beard from my moms(polish) side lol
Can hardly wait to see it on Nova.
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Can hardly wait to see it on Nova.

does he got the polish in him lol

you should see my legs below the knee, the hairest in the family lol
The US Congressional halls are full of Neanderthals. Both male and female but they haven't fossilized yet.
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The US Congressional halls are full of Neanderthals. Both male and female but they haven't fossilized yet.

There are a lot of Poles in Congress?
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There are a lot of Poles in Congress?

Poles in Congress. Those Pole cats must be power Poles!
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Poles in Congress. Those Pole cats must be power Poles!

...and they're grouped at opposite ends of the political poles, paying close attention to the polls at all times.

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