Ontario, The Anal

JBeee
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*What a ****ing joke this anal retentive province has become.*


Ont. man fined $305 for smoking in workplace - his truck
By Alan Black (CP) – 1 day ago

TORONTO — A 48-year-old truck driver from London, Ont., has been fined for smoking at work - the cab of his rig.

Ontario Provincial Police pulled over a truck on Highway 401 near Windsor on Wednesday when the driver was seen smoking.

Police handed out a $305 ticket because smoking is prohibited at all workplaces in the province under the Smoke-Free Ontario Act.

"In the act it actually specifies what a workplace is," said Const. Shawna Coulter of the provincial police's Essex detachment.

"It says the inside of any place, building, structure or vehicle that is part of the employee's workplace, which if you're driving a truck for long periods of time - that becomes your workplace."

Transportation Minister Jim Bradley said he hasn't heard of such a case before.

While he couldn't comment directly on an individual case, he said he would be watching closely if the man decides to fight the ticket in court.

"It would be interesting to see how this develops," said Bradley.

"That's interesting. It's a new one to me."

The provincial police did not comment on whether the unnamed man planned to fight the ticket and can't say for sure if it's the first such charge, but as far as Coulter knows it may be.

"We don't track specific charges, but I don't know that it's been utilized in the past," she said.

That's the way the law is supposed to work, said Health Promotion Minister Margarett Best.

"It's about health, and I'm not looking at this from the perspective of whether it's a milestone or not," Best said of the charge.

"I'm looking at it from the perspective of being concerned about the health of Ontarians."

Labour Minister Peter Fonseca also said the charge and fine were appropriate given the circumstances and the province's stated goal to reduce smoking as much as possible.

"Work vehicles were deemed workplaces in that act, so that is a place of work," said Fonseca.

The Smoke-Free Ontario Act adopted in 2006 prohibits smoking in enclosed workplaces and public areas, such as bars and restaurants.

Neil MacKenzie, the manager of tobacco programs for the Windsor-Essex County Health Unit, said even a farmer's enclosed tractor would be considered a work environment.

"Whether or not you have the sunroof open or windows down ... it's an enclosed workplace and you're prohibited from smoking in that vehicle," he told Windsor radio station CKLW.

MacKenzie added, however, that no one would march into a field and fine a farmer for smoking in an enclosed tractor.

"Before we take any radical action on it, we'd confirm with the Ministry of Health whether there's precedent," he said.

"We'd make sure the farmer understood requirements and give the opportunity for full compliance."

In June 2008, the Ontario law was extended to ban smoking in vehicles containing children under 16.

Last February, a 29-year-old woman from the Sarnia, Ont., area was charged under the ban after she was allegedly found smoking with five young children in the vehicle. Officers said they found both the driver and a 19-year-old female passenger smoking cigarettes.

Several provinces, meanwhile, plan to join forces against tobacco companies to recover health-care costs related to smoking.

Quebec confirmed earlier this month it was joining Ontario, British Columbia and New Brunswick in filing a multibillion-dollar lawsuit against tobacco manufacturers.
Ontario's $50-billion lawsuit against three tobacco companies is aimed at recovering the cost of treating smoke-related illnesses dating back as far as 1955.

The provinces began to consider legal action after a 2005 Supreme Court of Canada ruling that upheld British Columbia's right to seek compensation against tobacco companies.
 
Niflmir
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Well, technically it was not his vehicle to smoke in, despite the wording of this article.
 
Colpy
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Well, it is indeed possible to skate on the River Styx.....JBee and I agree on something.
 
lone wolf
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Bradley hadn't heard of such a case before? It was in all their TV ads: work vehicles....
 
Ron in Regina
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If the Guy is a "Driver," it's not his Truck.
If the Guy is a "Leased Operator" or "Owner Operator," it is his own Truck.

Then there's the Intra-Provincial and Inter-Provincial angle to this....
Does Federal Law Trump Provincial, or Provincial Trump Federal?

It's a can of worms that'll become a jurisdictional pissing match.

 
JBeee
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Does this `law` include a person who works from (his/her) home as well?
 
lone wolf
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Depends on if they like you or not....
 
Ron in Regina
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Quote: Originally Posted by JBeeeView Post

Does this `law` include a person who works from (his/her) home as well?


How 'bout the scenario, "Farmer in his own Tractor Cab (windows closed) in his own field" ???
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

How 'bout the scenario, "Farmer in his own Tractor Cab (windows closed) in his own field" ???

That might fall under the heading "work vehicle"....

There has to be some discretion. That's all we need.... Nicotine Nazis....
 
JBeee
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I understand a trucker has to make a living but I`d also love to see every trucker in Ontario park their rigs and STArve some common sense in the ****ing idiot`s heads running this province, that have nothing better to do than make up silly, money-grabbing `laws`that knowingly will never be enforced.

...and the cop that fined him should be shot with a ball of his own ****. (feces)....


Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

How 'bout the scenario, "Farmer in his own Tractor Cab (windows closed) in his own field" ???

Last edited by JBeee; Oct 9th, 2009 at 07:41 PM..
 
Ron in Regina
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Raping the Transportation Industry is a long standing tradition for every level of
Government, everywhere. Trust me. This I know.
 
Zan
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

How 'bout the scenario, "Farmer in his own Tractor Cab (windows closed) in his own field" ???

If any province can drum up the funds to pay someone to lurk around in farmers' fields looking for renegade smokers (ciggy or otherwise) then I think that money could surely be better used elsewhere.... including the funds that would be spent in court when said farmer announced to the cop "I see your smoking law and raise you a trespassing law".
 
FiveParadox
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

If the Guy is a "Driver," it's not his Truck.
If the Guy is a "Leased Operator" or "Owner Operator," it is his own Truck.

Then there's the Intra-Provincial and Inter-Provincial angle to this....
Does Federal Law Trump Provincial, or Provincial Trump Federal?

It's a can of worms that'll become a jurisdictional pissing match.

Unless the Parliament of Canada has legislated within an area of exclusive provincial jurisdiction (which this is not), then Parliament’s legislation is always paramount to provincial legislation. (Even if Parliament does legislate in an exclusive area of provincial jurisdiction, if the federal Parliament declares that the legislation is for the national good, then the legislation trumps provincial law anyway.) These are per the Constitution Act, 1867. Constitutional drivel for tonight has ended, I promise!

 
SirJosephPorter
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I can see how a vehicle may be classified as a work place in some instances. This may include a truck, a taxi, a bus etc. It is clear cut with a bus or a taxi. With a truck it is not as clear cut, it is more ambiguous.

I hope that the man fights the ticket in court. Not because I think he is right (I think the ticket was justified), but I think courts should give the ruling one way or the other. Courts should have the final say.
 
lone wolf
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A province really has to be hurting to feed the coffers when they'll risk a cop's life to pull over a truck on Hwy 401 to bust a smoker....
 
TenPenny
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Did the truck have a sleeper? If so, he could argue that it's his place of residence.

I have to wonder if the cop was a smoker who was read the riot act for smoking in his patrol car, under the same regulation.
 
Toro
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You would be hard pressed to find a more anal place in the western world than Ontario.
 
lone wolf
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToroView Post

You would be hard pressed to find a more anal place in the western world than Ontario.

If they're ever gonna give the world an enema, there's a manhole at the corner of Yonge and Bloor they'll lift to insert the tube....

...or is that Avenue around College?
Last edited by lone wolf; Oct 9th, 2009 at 10:28 PM..
 
Said1
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Ottawa is a pretty tight society. Present company excluded, of course.
 
SirJosephPorter
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Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Did the truck have a sleeper? If so, he could argue that it's his place of residence.

I have to wonder if the cop was a smoker who was read the riot act for smoking in his patrol car, under the same regulation.

That is why it is an ambiguous situation. The courts must rule on it.
 
JBeee
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Anywhere in the Bathurst/Lakeshore area should suffice in draining a good portion of scum from it`s bowels.


Quote: Originally Posted by lone wolfView Post

If they're ever gonna give the world an enema, there's a manhole at the corner of Yonge and Bloor they'll lift to insert the tube....

...or is that Avenue around College?

 
bobnoorduyn
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Quote: Originally Posted by Ron in ReginaView Post

Raping the Transportation Industry is a long standing tradition for every level of
Government, everywhere. Trust me. This I know.

I fully agree, but this isn't so much raping the transportation industry as it is the continuation of tyrannical social engineering by those who demand comformity with their brand or morality. Non compliance is subject punishment that would make Draco proud.

And I thought all the stupid laws originated on the East Coast, Ontario takes the blue ribbon this time.
 
JBeee
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Smoker or non-smoker, 10 years ago I had a (lady) cop pull me over for..whatever reason and while running me through, find nothing, only to bust me for flicking a butt in a drain on a majore intersection while waiting.
I showed up in court to argue my case (night court) only to be post-poned till a future date. The court room was full... more translaters than lawyers and no doubt for a bunch of frivolous similor charges from my 2 hour wait.

**** this I said, so I paid the bastards (the courts,a $125.00 fine) and dumped my car ashtray on the bitches patrol car parked out-side. (I seen her show up in it while having a cigarette out-side)
Havn`t heard back from her.....yet.



Quote: Originally Posted by TenPennyView Post

Did the truck have a sleeper? If so, he could argue that it's his place of residence.

I have to wonder if the cop was a smoker who was read the riot act for smoking in his patrol car, under the same regulation.

 
Niflmir
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToroView Post

You would be hard pressed to find a more anal place in the western world than Ontario.

Depends what you mean by "western". If you mean the typical west, as opposed to the orient, then it is pretty easy to find anal places once you leave North America. If you mean western hemisphere, than that doesn't leave you many options.
 
Cliffy
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Quote: Originally Posted by NiflmirView Post

Depends what you mean by "western". If you mean the typical west, as opposed to the orient, then it is pretty easy to find anal places once you leave North America. If you mean western hemisphere, than that doesn't leave you many options.

I always thought Prince George, BC is the a$$hole of the planet.
 
Spade
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Quote: Originally Posted by CliffyView Post

I always thought Prince George, BC is the a$$hole of the planet.

No, but it's close by.
 
YukonJack
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If Ontario is "anal retentive", then Liberals are anal retentive.

Ontario has been under the shackles of Liberal Provincial government since the population lost their collctive minds.
 
Spade
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Geezus, even sasquatches hate Ontarians!

YouTube - Bigfoot Sasquatch Ontario Sightings

 
AnnaG
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From the OP, "I'm looking at it from the perspective of being concerned about the health of Ontarians."

Perhaps people should be holding OPP members to certain standards, too. Look at the shape these guys keep themselves in:










Can we say "round"?
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Toro
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Depends what you mean by "western". If you mean the typical west, as opposed to the orient, then it is pretty easy to find anal places once you leave North America. If you mean western hemisphere, than that doesn't leave you many options. __________________________

You might find anal places in western civilization but there aren't many more anal than Ontario.

It has to be the only place in the western world that put an order - "Ontario Keep it Beautiful" - on its license plate.

 

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