Now Ray Lahey Down to Sleep, He Asks the Lord...

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Another cleric hits the turf!
Ottawa police issue warrant for ex-N.S. bishop - Nova Scotia News - TheChronicleHerald.ca
Time for the Church to adopt a married priesthood in the Latin Rite - and of course, women clergy.
Can the Church turn its back on needed change?

Absolutely!!!!!!

The requirement for celibacy is from the monastic tradition, and is not a sensible practise amongst those who live in the broader society and deal with the public from a position of trust and authority.
 

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Another cleric hits the turf!
Ottawa police issue warrant for ex-N.S. bishop - Nova Scotia News - TheChronicleHerald.ca
Time for the Church to adopt a married priesthood in the Latin Rite - and of course, women clergy.
Can the Church turn its back on needed change?
He's not praying for the Lord "his soul to keep". He's just another bastard using the church and not a believer in God at all or he would be too afraid to commit such a crime. The Catholic church should have realized long long ago that they attract this kind of filth by not allowing Priests to wed. If priests were meant to be celibate then they would have been born with different body parts! To even consider that they can forever remain celibate is in itself a sin. Stupid!
 

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If priests were meant to be celibate then they would have been born with different body parts! To even consider that they can forever remain celibate is in itself a sin. Stupid!

Good point!
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He still hasn't turned himself in! Pity for those strong adherents. Mind you, there is the presumption of innocence!
 

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I saw those headlines a couple of hours ago. At least there is no longer much of any presumption of innocence
 

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Another cleric hits the turf!
Ottawa police issue warrant for ex-N.S. bishop - Nova Scotia News - TheChronicleHerald.ca
Time for the Church to adopt a married priesthood in the Latin Rite - and of course, women clergy.
Can the Church turn its back on needed change?

The problem has absolutely nothing to do with celibacy. It has everything to do with homosexuality in the priesthood. There are self protecting homosexual cliques, and seminaries with a pervasive homo erotic culture that have developed, especially in the more tolerant post Vatican 2 environment.. from which the abuse scandals have originated.

Those in the priesthood with a normal, mature, heterosexual orientation have caused almost none of the problems, and those are the ones who would marry (real marriage between a man a woman) if given the option.

It is those who are seeking a shelter for deviant sexual appetites disguised in religious cloth, and opportunities for predation on vulnerable young boys that have to be eliminated.

Allowing marriage or women's oridination would not address the issue, and neither of those are up for discusssion in the Church. They are fundamental to the character of Catholicism. Eliminating homosexual candidates from consideration from religious vocations is the only way to address the problem.

That is official Vatican policy, but there is a vicious homosexual subculture in the Church that seeks to sabatoge that at every turn, and recruit new members.. it all has the imprint of the Devil. :x
 
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The problem has absolutely nothing to do with celibacy. It has everything to do with homosexuality in the priesthood. There are self protecting homosexual cliques, and seminaries with a pervasive homo erotic culture that have developed, especially in the more tolerant post Vatican 2 environment.. from which the abuse scandals have originated.

Candidates for the priesthood with a normal, mature, heterosexual orientation have caused almost none of the problems, and those are the ones who would marry (real marriage between and man a woman) if given the option.

It is those who are seeking a shelter for deviant sexual appetites disguised in religious cloth, and opportunities for predation on vulnerable young boys that have to be eliminated.

Allowing marriage or womens oridination would not address the issue, and neither of those are up for discusssion in the Church. They are fundamental to the character of Catholicism. Eliminating homosexuals from consideration from religious vocations is the only way to address the problem.

Homosexuality has absolutley NOTHING to do with pedophilia.
 

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Another cleric hits the turf!
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Time for the Church to adopt a married priesthood in the Latin Rite - and of course, women clergy.
Can the Church turn its back on needed change?
Married Catholic Priests: Why are Some Catholic Priests Married? Will Celibacy Remain a Requirement?

Of course, the RCC being a patriarchal bunch will take a few more million years to grant women equal rights.
 

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Married Catholic Priests: Why are Some Catholic Priests Married? Will Celibacy Remain a Requirement?

Of course, the RCC being a patriarchal bunch will take a few more million years to grant women equal rights.

Marriage in the priesthood, and homosexual abuse of minors are two separate issues. Addressing one will not affect the other.

Celibacy is deeply rooted in the Catholic and Orthodox traditions, going back to the original apostles (although Peter, the first Pope, was likely married) and monastic communities. Orthodox and Eastern Rite Catholic Churches do allow some marriage, but not in their Magisterium (bishops and curia), and one is not allowed to marry AFTER ordination.

It became obligatory in the 11th Century in the Latin Church, largely because there were as many problems stemming from a married priesthood as would be alleviated by it. What do you do with divorced priests, if it were allowed, for instance. In the early Church marriage brought on a fief like character, with an inherited priesthood, to many parishes.

The primary reason for a celibate priesthood deals with the focus of a priest's vocation being singularly pastoral and religious. A married man's primary responsibility is to his family, for a priest it is with his flock and Church. There is no chance that marriage or women's ordination will come to the Catholic Church, at least in its Latin Rite, likely, for the duration.. of Creation. :smile:
 
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gerryh

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The author of this article get's itclose, but not bang on.

Why are they married? They got married while serving as priests in other Christian denominations, usually the Anglican or Lutheran churches. If such a priest decides that he would be better off within Catholicism, he can apply to a local bishop who then submits a special application to the pope, with decisions being made on a case-by-case basis. If accepted, he is certainly not expected to get divorced or otherwise separate from his spouse, so his wife comes right along as well. This exception to the celibacy rule was created on July 22, 1980.


The married Preists are former Anglicanpreists. When the Anglican Church started allowing Female ordination and then SSM, there were some Parishes that decided to split from the Anglican Church and "rejoin" the Roman Catholic Church. These Parishes were allowed to retain their Preist, with the condition of that if the Preist became "unmarried" for any reason that he would then take the vow of celibacy and continue on without the ability to remarry.

The Eastern Orthodox Churches have always allowed Preists to be married. While they do recognise the Vatican and the Pope, they have their own way of doing things.
 

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The problem has absolutely nothing to do with celibacy. It has everything to do with homosexuality in the priesthood. There are self protecting homosexual cliques, and seminaries with a pervasive homo erotic culture that have developed, especially in the more tolerant post Vatican 2 environment.. from which the abuse scandals have originated.

Those in the priesthood with a normal, mature, heterosexual orientation have caused almost none of the problems, and those are the ones who would marry (real marriage between a man a woman) if given the option.

It is those who are seeking a shelter for deviant sexual appetites disguised in religious cloth, and opportunities for predation on vulnerable young boys that have to be eliminated.

Allowing marriage or women's oridination would not address the issue, and neither of those are up for discusssion in the Church. They are fundamental to the character of Catholicism. Eliminating homosexual candidates from consideration from religious vocations is the only way to address the problem.

That is official Vatican policy, but there is a vicious homosexual subculture in the Church that seeks to sabatoge that at every turn, and recruit new members.. it all has the imprint of the Devil. :x
That's an awfully strong statement. What do you have to back it up other than abnormal beliefs?