Drunken Breast Feeding

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Cannuck

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CTV.ca | Arrest in drunken breastfeeding case starts debate

"BISMARCK, N.D. -- Police responding to a domestic disturbance arrived at Stacey Anvarinia's home to find the mother breastfeeding her six-week-old baby in front of them. And she was drunk, they said. Officers arrested the woman, who later pleaded guilty to child neglect and faces up to five years in prison. Now her case has touched off a debate among moms about breastfeeding, alcohol -- and privacy."
 

karrie

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privacy?

There IS no such thing as privacy if the police are called to your house for a domestic dispute, and there are children involved. They instantly have the right to review and see if those children are safe. If everyone in the house is drunk, then a 6 week old child is NOT safe, end of story.

As for nursing and drinking, the safe bet is to NEVER be drunk. If your liver can't keep up and you're feeling intoxicated, then it's getting into your breast milk, and that's not safe for the baby. If you want to drink more than that, make sure someone is sober for the baby, and pump. If someone catches you trying to pour vodka into your baby via a clearly drunken mammary system, expect them to take it away as surely as they would a baby bottle full of bailey's.
 

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If the mother doesn't care, what are the chances the kid is already suffering with fetal alcohol syndrome?

I have a friend that worked with FAS kids. She says it is epidemic. Her case load was so heavy she burned out in 4 years. Now she is a recluse.
 

Unforgiven

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What a stupid thing to have happen!

Breast feeding right in front of the cops? I mean what did she expect to happen? Broads, you know it's a good thing men are around or these things would just go unnoticed.:roll:

I wonder what should happen with women who have a cold and seek relief from the symptoms with medicine?

Perhaps the best thing for children is to spot check womens breast milk much like ride side checks for drunk driving. As well since everyone knows women lie, all women should be tested randomly in case any "under the radar" breast feeding is going on.

Won't somebody please think of the children!!! 8O
 

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I will volunteer to start up a neighborhood watch/vigilante group....for the sake of the children
 

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One thing that bothers me is the idea that you're not allowed to be drunk if you're a parent. If you don't drive your car anywhere, what's the diff? What standards did the police use to determine that the mother was too drunk to be in the care and control of her baby?

How drunk was she? What's the legal limit for being allowed to be at home?
 

Unforgiven

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Semantics. Harm is harm.

But what is harm? We do lots of things that harm us. The problem is the microscope we put ourselves under and the ridiculous height we set the bar. In the end, outside of serious abuse, children grow up and have kids of their own as we have done for thousands of years. Only in the last couple of decades, have we made a sport out of singling out poor behavior.

Many a child has benefited from splitting a couple of cords of wood or meeting the switch or leather strap behind the woodshed. Granted we are pretty far from that now, still people manage to survive and grow up to be good people.

Most of the time today, I see kids that have everything, never get a harsh word uttered at them and suffer from neglect and poor self extreme because their parents are elsewhere earning a living, decompressing from the stress of a high pressure/ high wage job. Many many more self-medicate in order to take on the roles that are demanded by kids, friends, and those who take a good look at others to make their own lives a look a little better.

Growing up, both parents drank, smoked, sister in laws drank and smoked, one brother smoked both drank both sisters drank and smoked. I don't smoke, I drink socially though rarely. I have an eating disorder. But that isn't because of what they did, it's my own mind that has created it and now starting to deal with it.

Babies used to get hauled around on their mother's back until they could be dropped and walk along themselves at which time their brothers, or sisters or any other kid in the clan would slap them around for fun and education.

Most middle class kids cry if you say no to them now.

Someone who is out of control and drinking heavily while being responsible for young children is a problem. Some mom breast feeding while snorkered in her own home after a big fight with her husband or baby daddy or whatever, is an overly nosy nanny state getting out of control.

I don't think there is any one here who could possibly be anything but a monster if we filled the home with cameras and watched every move they made night and day with the expectations we hold others to.

Parenting isn't an easy job and no one does it perfectly. No one.
 

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Unforgiven,

Well that put it all in perspective. I would ad though that there should be some sort of basic parenting education in schools, also in relationship and health. But it would be difficult to get a curriculum that is unbiased toward the author's view point.
 

Unforgiven

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Unforgiven,

Well that put it all in perspective. I would ad though that there should be some sort of basic parenting education in schools, also in relationship and health. But it would be difficult to get a curriculum that is unbiased toward the author's view point.

School is warehousing. Keep the little buggers out of the way until they can get a job, take off and become another cog in the machine.

Besides change is hard and even more so when people fail to understand the ramifications of taking what looks to be the easy route.
 

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School is warehousing. Keep the little buggers out of the way until they can get a job, take off and become another cog in the machine.

Besides change is hard and even more so when people fail to understand the ramifications of taking what looks to be the easy route.

Yup An expensive baby sitting service producing automatons for the machine. Too bad people have let it come to this. Too bad they are too busy being mindless consumers so the rich can lord it over them.
 

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I must agree with unforgiven, she was arrested because the police came at the wrong time during her evening, not becasue she's a monster. Granted I don't think anyone agrees with what she did, but to arrest her, possibly even break up a faimily depending on their situation....little much. Were all human.
 

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Randomly found, and therefore not necessarily accurate:

In general, if you are sober enough to drive, you are sober enough to breastfeed. Less than 2% of the alcohol consumed by the mother reaches her blood and milk. Alcohol peaks in mom's blood and milk approximately 1/2-1 hour after drinking (but there is considerable variation from person to person, depending upon how much food was eaten in the same time period, mom's body weight and percentage of body fat, etc.). Alcohol does not accumulate in breastmilk, but leaves the milk as it leaves the blood; so when your blood alcohol levels are back down, so are your milk alcohol levels.
 

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The same proportionate amount that goes to any other part of the woman's body. Not much but it's enough to cause a lot of trauma to a baby.

If some silly woman drinks to excess while pregnant and gives birth to a child, she is the one that usually has to care for the child. Perhaps she can get help and perhaps that help is undeserved, but we developed society to care anyway. Well, some parts of society assuming big business and the gov't haven't conned us into serving those parts of society. Of course there are things people are stupid about. Education is the best thing to apply. If I were the judge I would NOT sentence the woman to probation, jail, etc. I would sentence her to be escorted around to various places in order to research first-hand what life is like for an FAS child and the people around her/him.
 
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