Signs of recovery appearing, but not in Canada

VanIsle

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Signs of recovery appearing, but not yet in Canada, says OECD

at 16:13 on May 11, 2009, EDT.

Julian Beltrame, THE CANADIAN PRESS
OTTAWA - Several of the world's leading economies appear poised to emerge from the most severe global downturn in decades but Canada is not yet among them, says a respected international economic forum.


The Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development says its index of composite leading indicators for March shows China is already exhibiting signs of a pause in the severe economic slowdown.


The United Kingdom, Italy and France are also showing tentative signs of having hit the bottom of their slide.


The OECD places Canada, along with the United States and most other large economies, as still in the grip of a "strong slowdown," although it said the pace of deterioration is slowing.


The monthly index for Canada was about half a point lower in March and 10.2 points off where it was last year, below the average for OECD economies.


The OECD report released Monday comes amid other signs of so-called "green shoots" that are giving economists, investors and governments hope that the recession that began in October in Canada and earlier in many other economies is approaching a bottom and could rebound in late 2009.


While Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said he expects Canada to emerge from recession before many other economies, the early evidence doesn't appear to back up such optimism.


CIBC chief economist Avery Shenfeld said the pace of economic deterioration appears to be slowing in Canada, after suffering the worst quarterly contraction since the Great Depression, but North America will likely lag behind many others in the turnaround.


"At best we've seen early signs Canada and the U.S. may be entering a period of more moderate decline rather than growth, but in East Asia we're seeing convincing signs that they are past the trough," said Shenfeld.


"They are already rebounding in China, Korea and perhaps Japan as well from deep troughs in the case of Japan and Korea."


The OECD found China's composite of leading indicators rose by almost a point in March, the second consecutive month of growth. The rebound was less pronounced in the U.K., France and Italy.


"Weak though these signals are, they are present in the majority of the (composite leading indicators) component series for these countries," the organization said in a news release.


Canada saw its first positive jobs report in six months in April, with employment actually registering a modest 36,000 jobs gain, although all came in the self-employment category.


Despite a correction Monday, North American stock markets have also rebounded somewhat from last fall's collapse, with the Toronto Stock Exchange topping the 10,000-point level for the first time in six months.


Shenfeld said the renewed optimism is an indication that investors are now discounting their worst fears about how far the economy can fall.


"The base case still involves North America recovering late this year and into 2010, but there aren't as many investors worried about it... becoming a depression," he said.


The Bank of Canada earlier this month forecast Canada's economy will stop falling in the fourth quarter of this year and post a 2.5 per cent rebound in 2010.
 

VanIsle

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We were about the last to "start to go under" so it stands to reason we may be the ones to show slow recovery but I believe we are showing signs of recovery regardless of what this report says.
 

SirJosephPorter

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VanIsle, (why did you revert to your old name?), Canada’s fortunes are linked to those of USA. I don’t see Canada recovering until USA does. Then too, Canada will recover after USA (just as it plunged into recession after USA).
 

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Canada had no where near the downturn of some of those countries. Most of them had complete financial institution meltdowns, and Japan is still trying to recover from their 1989 fall off a cliff.

By the time the newspapers announce all is well, all of the easy money in the market will have been made.
 

darkbeaver

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VanIsle, (why did you revert to your old name?), Canada’s fortunes are linked to those of USA. I don’t see Canada recovering until USA does. Then too, Canada will recover after USA (just as it plunged into recession after USA).

So why don't we decouple from the sinking, stinking wreck and save some money and pain for the Canadian stake holders, us. Oh yeah the bombs, I forgot. How come we don't have nukuler weapons anyway?
 

VanIsle

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VanIsle, (why did you revert to your old name?), Canada’s fortunes are linked to those of USA. I don’t see Canada recovering until USA does. Then too, Canada will recover after USA (just as it plunged into recession after USA).
Because I like it better and I liked yours better before too. I did not say we're recovering in leaps and bounds but I don't think we are or have been as bad off as some other countries. Where I live things seem pretty much the same as always. It's an odd thing to look at but even days like yesterday - Mother's Day- every seat in every available restaurant was full. If times were really bad for a lot of the population, that would not have been the case. Mother's accept the fact that there is no money for dinner out. People are still spending. We are still hiring. I realize that wages are not high and high paying jobs are few and far between but they always are. The housing market has really slowed down but it hasn't stopped. New businesses are opening up. All of that has to say something.
 

VanIsle

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You might have to smoke a fatty to keep up with the Beav.:lol:

(Oh, I know it is beyond your consideration but it is fun to pull your leg occasionally);-)
I know you know. I was looking at some of the friendly banter that has been going on in the SC over the past couple of days and to a point I realized what is wrong here. "They" know "them" and "we" know "us" so the familiarity that comes with that (or not) either leads to friendly banter or great arguements. We understand "us" because we have talked long enough to know without explanations that the other means us no harm and so have they. Here on this page, I am feeling a level of comfort. There in the SC, I see people who know each other and they know when it's friendly banter or nasty debate and they can get along as long as "we" do not step inside. Same thing we are likely to do. Acceptance and not taking offence or deliverings insults is where the twain shall meet. Think it can ever happen? Does anyone really want it to? New rules didn't happen. They were kind of "threatened" but they never occurred. The mods. are in that SC circle too even though they try to befriend us along with some of the others who have the ability to go there and step outside of that circle as well. How does it go --- Draw the Circle wide. Draw it wider still. Maybe one day we'll all reach the comfort level we need and our missing friends can come back and our "still here" friends can be here without being insulted daily. Iggy hasn't posted since Mar. 26. Spade talks about coming back but he only drops in now and again and I know at first he felt quite at home. DHW dropped in twice but never came back. Odd how you can miss people you have never laid eyes on.:-(
 

VanIsle

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The United Kingdom, Italy and France are also showing tentative signs of having hit the bottom of their slide.
How did this statement take us from "recovering economies" to car mergers?
 

SirJosephPorter

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In Canada there are definitely signs of recovery in the stock market. TSE 300 has risen from 7600 in March to 10,100, rise of more than 30%. So at least financial markets do see a recovery down the road.
 

darkbeaver

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What does that mean?8O

It means that confidence in the economy in general requires monumental faith since it is in recession and steep decline that promises to end the western civilization as we thought we knew it. Armageddon like carnage and percipitous decay leading to the evolution of a new organism homodarkbeaverous that I have already partially morphed into thanks to my close proximity to a liquor barn. War will make everything work better.8O nice glasses
 

darkbeaver

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In Canada there are definitely signs of recovery in the stock market. TSE 300 has risen from 7600 in March to 10,100, rise of more than 30%. So at least financial markets do see a recovery down the road.

You make sure you get out SJP before the real players scrape you off with the cream. Hey do you remember Wayne and Shuster? The recovery could last as long as two weeks or a month but then the last crash and war.
 
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SirJosephPorter

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You make sure you get out SJP before the real players scrape you off with the cream.:lol:

Darkbeaver, I have been in the market for fifteen years. I stayed in the market during the dot com meltdown. I am not about to get out. On the contrary, I sold quite a few stocks when TSE was around 15,000, and I have been buying stocks judiciously for the past six months.

I like the fundamentals of the market, I am staying in.