Canadian Navy Practices Catch and Release With Pirates

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If the Canadian government doesn't want to try in court the pirates the Canadian navy is catching, then they should come home and patrol the Arctic instead. Quit wasting our money there.


globeandmail.com: Ottawa's piracy policy flouts law, experts say
Ottawa's piracy policy flouts law, experts say

Government claims of a lack of jurisdiction called 'ludicrous' and 'quite wrong'

PAUL KORING
May 1, 2009



WASHINGTON -- Canada's catch-and-release approach to countering piracy off Somalia is at odds with other Western navies and flouts Ottawa's obligations under international law, according to maritime and international law experts.
"Its ludicrous for the Harper government to claim that it can't arrest and prosecute pirates," said Michael Byers, who holds the Canadian Research Chair in International Law and Politics at the University of British Columbia. "Canada has a legal obligation under the United Nations and international law to bring pirates to justice."
Pirates seized by French, German, Spanish and other NATO warships have been clapped in irons - or at least detained - and delivered to Kenya, where they are put on trial as part of a broad international effort to punish piracy using a mix of old national and new international law.
The issue has been highlighted by an incident last month in which the HMCS Winnipeg captured a boatload of pirates off Somalia but subsequently released them. While it is not clear how many such incidents have occurred, the release has raised a number of questions with legal experts.
"It's nuts to let them go," said William Tetley, a professor of maritime law at McGill University who is regarded as one of Canada's foremost experts in the field. Mr. Tetley, a former president of the Canadian Maritime Law Association and author of numerous textbooks on maritime law, dismissed government claims of lack of jurisdiction as "quite wrong," adding the Canadians have been "caught with their pants down; they don't have any guts and neither does the Prime Minister."
While Canada is turning loose the pirates it captures, albeit after taking away their guns, other countries are taking a tougher line. In some instances - notably the capture by the U.S. navy of a pirate after Special Forces snipers killed his three companions holding a U.S. captain hostage on a lifeboat - Western countries have charged pirates back in domestic courts.
Earlier this week, tiny Seychelles chased down pirates with a coast guard aircraft and then vowed to put them on trial after a Spanish warship captured them in the wake of a failed attack on a cruise ship.
"Catch and release only encourages pirates to grow bigger and bolder," said Mr. Byers, adding that prosecuting teenage pirates "isn't going to solve the problem" either. Like most experts, he said the international community must deal with the heart of the problem, which is the failed and anarchic state of Somalia, but that releasing pirates only makes things worse.
Canada's unwillingness to prosecute pirates seems especially odd given that only last summer it co-sponsored UN Security Resolution 1816, which "calls upon all states with relevant jurisdiction under international law and national legislation, to co-operate ... in the investigation and prosecution of persons responsible for acts of piracy and armed robbery off the coast of Somalia ..." Piracy remains on Canada's Criminal Code, with a maximum sentence of life in prison.
Canada is also a signatory to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which makes piracy an international crime, formalizing maritime law that dates back centuries.
Canada is also a signatory to the Convention for the Suppression of Unlawful Acts Against the Safety of Maritime Navigation, which calls for the prosecution of anyone who "seizes or exercises control over ships by force or threat of force or any other form of intimidation."
Usually Canadian governments are strident in the claims that UN Security Council resolutions are binding, and Ottawa takes considerable pride in its claim that it is among the most dutiful of nations in its support of UN and international obligations.
But despite its co-sponsorship of Security Council Resolution 1816, which was specifically written to authorize international action against piracy off Somalia's lawless coast, Canadian officials now claim that resolution doesn't require Canada to bring pirate suspects to justice.
"The wording of paragraph 11 of UNSCR 1816 on 'investigation and prosecution' is not cast so as to create a legally binding decision pursuant to Article 25 of the Charter of the United Nations," the Department of Foreign Affairs said in a written reply that took nearly a week to get departmental and political clearances before being released. Foreign Affairs declined to provide the names of the government lawyers who crafted the reply.
"Canada is fulfilling the expectations of this paragraph. We are participating in international counter-piracy efforts off the coast of Somalia and we are discussing with our UN partners and NATO allies the very complex issues surrounding jurisdiction, investigation and prosecution of suspected pirates," it added.
Marc Isaacs, a maritime law specialist and Adjunct Professor of Admiralty Law at the University of Toronto Law School, said Canada has ample jurisdiction if it wanted to prosecute pirates. "There's not a lot of body of law about piracy," he acknowledged, but added that it's "clear under the Canadian Criminal Code that piracy is an offence in or outside of Canada."
"I cannot give you a cogent reason why the pirates [seized by HMCS Winnipeg] would be released," Mr. Isaacs said.
While Canada is releasing pirates and discussing the situation with partners, other countries are acting.
France has put pirates on trial in Paris. Russian warships seized 29 pirates this week. The German frigate Rheinland-Pfalz delivered seven captured pirates for trial in Mombasa 10 days ago. A Spanish warship landed another groups of captured pirates. More than 70 pirates captured by NATO warships have now been turned over to Kenyan authorities for trial.
Only the Dutch navy is following Canada's example of "catch and release." The Obama administration ignored Canada's release of pirates but when the Dutch did the same thing a week later, State Secretary Hilary Clinton said it "was the wrong signal," adding "there is a need to co-ordinate better the reactions of all of the nations and organizations involved in policing the coastline off of Somalia."
Meanwhile, the Canadian navy declined to say how many times pirates have been captured, however briefly, since Canadian warships were first deployed on anti-piracy patrols off the Somali coast last year. One senior officer said last week that he believed the capture last month of a boatload of pirates after a seven-hour chase by HMCS Winnipeg was the first, but ordered a review of navy logs to determine whether other pirates has been apprehended as opposed to just chased off.
"We're still working on an answer," a Canadian Forces spokesman said Tuesday.
Some navies, notably the British and American, are taking an even tougher line. British commandos, working with the Russian navy, killed pirates that seized a Danish ship last fall. French forces have killed several pirates in operations to retake hijacked vessels.
Foreign Affairs insisted Canada was respecting international law.
"If it becomes necessary to detain individuals, they would be treated humanely, with dignity and in accordance with international law," it said in its written explanation of Canada's policy.
 

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Stopping the waste of our money off the coast of Somalia is a good idea. If all they're going to do is throw weapons overboard and let the perps go they should find something else to do that doesn't waste tons of fuel and time.
 

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It will keep on happening too until there are some rules of engagement established. The only reason US Navy got their pirates is they set upon a US flagged ship.
 

Ron in Regina

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Maybe I'm just Redneck Prairie Boy, but I just don't understand
why, in a shipping corridor that busy, knowing your ship has to
pass through those waters on a regular basis, and the hazards
those waters present....why aren't this ships outfitting and
defending themselves? Something wrong with being self
-sufficient?

How 'bout one of these at all four corners of the ships that
traverse these waters? Larger ships can add a set on each side
at mid-ship....



What I'm getting at is that if this Piracy thing just popped up in
the last couple of days or weeks, there would be a legitimate
reason that the ships traversing those waters wouldn't be prepared
to repel borders and defend themselves...but this has been going
on for years now. Time to dummy-up & get with the program &
take responsibility for their own safety.
 

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Maybe I'm just Redneck Prairie Boy, but I just don't understand
why, in a shipping corridor that busy, knowing your ship has to
pass through those waters on a regular basis, and the hazards
those waters present....why aren't this ships outfitting and
defending themselves? Something wrong with being self
-sufficient?

How 'bout one of these at all four corners of the ships that
traverse these waters? Larger ships can add a set on each side
at mid-ship....



What I'm getting at is that if this Piracy thing just popped up in
the last couple of days or weeks, there would be a legitimate
reason that the ships traversing those waters wouldn't be prepared
to repel borders and defend themselves...but this has been going
on for years now. Time to dummy-up & get with the program &
take responsibility for their own safety.

Because the shipping industry likes to ignore pirates, to arm ships would cost money, ie, lower profits. But hey, they're definitely not in Kansas off Eritrea I think. I saw a guy on CBC talking with George Womansbridge about this. And it would escalte the issue as the pirates would get better armed.

Just like banks don't have press releases saying millions in dollars have been stolen by cybertheft, they just refill the bank accounts and no one knows nuthin'. But pirates are another kettle of fish so to speak prairie hound. Got alotta puns in this post.
 

Ron in Regina

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I'm from the school of "walk softly but carry a big stick" and "it's
better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it."
Oh well....just a different way of looking at things I guess. 8O:lol:
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Socrates the Greek

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I'm from the school of "walk softly but carry a big stick" and "it's
better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it."
Oh well....just a different way of looking at things I guess. 8O:lol:
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Good day to you Ron,
Me too I will keep the baseball bat for peace keeping purposes only, I hope I never scare any one that has walked at night on to my property with out a good reason.


That precious Jewel (the baseball bat) will surprise the most courageous of thieves, and it won’t matter what the Judge thinks as long as I am in the confines of my property.

I love humanity Ron, but I hate forceful confinement meaning that a creep or pirate who will take from me because he doesn’t have.
The hypocrisy and big irony here is that if I act in the manner to which I feel is right for the safety and wellbeing of my home, and take the thieve out while confronting me in my home, a judge could rule against me for being aggressive, but the same Judge gets home invaded and the thieve will spend time in jail when in fact in my case he wont.
That is the height of the hypocrisy the legal industry is all about, justice only for the well-off.
As for the pirates? Sink a couple of their skiffs and they will not attempt to ever come close again.
As the world is getting more deeper into this economic down turn these type of behavior will be on the rise unless we make it known to them, you make the attempt to pirate and you are choosing to die. Fire with fire is the only way out in international waters.
 

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Socrates the Greek is right here, if pirates don't fear death on the high seas, they will attack with impunity. This just shows how the Harperites are not serious about world affairs. Time to shape up or ship out.

How do you explain the Dutch did the same thing? Harper has no jurisdiction in Holland. It's the NATO rulebook that's all screwed up.

UN sea court ready to judge piracy cases: report
 
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Since they are already on the water why not use them for target practice? Since they were caught in the act a court hearing is not necessary.Just sink them. No repeat offenders.
 

Ron in Regina

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I wasn't talking politics or murder myself. I wasn't even talking
about Navy ships from any nation, but the cargo ships
themselves...


I just believe that self reliance and self defense are a self
responsibility, not an option. That's all. 8O
8O

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I wasn't talking politics or murder myself. I wasn't even talking
about Navy ships from any nation, but the cargo ships
themselves...


I just believe that self reliance and self defense are a self
responsibility, not an option. That's all.
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Security teams cost money and shipping companies don't want to spend money on the problem and bring more attention to it. However, this would create more jobs, so I would support it.
 

Ron in Regina

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Security teams cost money and shipping companies don't want to spend money on the problem and bring more attention to it. However, this would create more jobs, so I would support it.



Shipping Companies sloughing their responsibility off onto National Navies
is what we're currently seeing, and that just isn't working due to the large
geographic area that stretch of water represents, and due to the fact that
all the Navy boats in the water are just a drop in the bucket in relation to
the volume of shipping (and thus available targets for the Pirates).

Security teams would just be a cost of doing business for a responsible
and self reliant company. Why should National Navies bear the cost of
defending Shipping companies profits when they will not accept any
responsibility for their own defense...as we all do everyday.

If it's 2am and really need a Jug of milk (or a pack of smokes, or whatever),
and the closest easiest place to get it is a 7-11 in a rough neighbourhood,
you have some choices to make with respect to your own safety and
security. Go elsewhere, or go in the morning, or go with a buddy or two....
We all make these decisions for ourselves every day. If the shipping
companies wish to continue using that route through those dangerous
waters (as opposed to a longer and more expensive route, lets say) then
they should also accept (some of?) the responsibility for their own defense.