israel to still get paid despite the coming economic crash

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I wonder what israel has over the us that it requires payment all the time.....it cant be called "aid" because the states dont give aid to anyone till they've bombed the crap out of them first.

U.S. Official: Obama Won't cut Military Aid to Israel

'U.S. President Barack Obama will not cut the billions of dollars in military aid promised to Israel, a senior U.S. administration official said Wednesday. The 30 billion USD in aid promised to Israel over the next decade will not be harmed by the world financial crisis, the official told Israel Radio. He spoke on condition of anonymity.'
U.S. official: Obama won't cut military aid to Israel - Haaretz - Israel News
 

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Do you honestly think that any politician would want to lose the Jewish vote in the U.S. It would be political suicide to let Israel go it alone. Plus we did promise to insure their independence. All they need are things from us, not American lives. The only ally that is willing to accept that.
 

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Do you honestly think that any politician would want to lose the Jewish vote in the U.S. It would be political suicide to let Israel go it alone.

keep the jewish vote and to hell with starving us citizens, yep, that sounds about right.
 

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I am glad to hear that the USA will continue to aid the state of Israel........a democratic, free nation standing alone amidst a sea of Arab tyranny.......more or less.:cool:

BTW, guys, you should really look at the facts before you make a damned fool of yourself........only, and I mean ONLY in Israel do the Jews make up a significant part of the voting population.

In the USA they are about 2.2% of the population.........so much for the "Jewish vote":roll:
 

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I wonder what israel has over the us that it requires payment all the time.....it cant be called "aid" because the states dont give aid to anyone till they've bombed the crap out of them first.

U.S. Official: Obama Won't cut Military Aid to Israel

'U.S. President Barack Obama will not cut the billions of dollars in military aid promised to Israel, a senior U.S. administration official said Wednesday. The 30 billion USD in aid promised to Israel over the next decade will not be harmed by the world financial crisis, the official told Israel Radio. He spoke on condition of anonymity.'
U.S. official: Obama won't cut military aid to Israel - Haaretz - Israel News

So are you suggesting that the States should cut all it's world wide foreign aid contributions and commitments?

Or is it just a Jew thing?

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So are you suggesting that the States should cut all it's world wide foreign aid contributions and commitments?

Or is it just a Jew thing?

Trex
no, its not a jew thing at all.....I would've thought the most important thing in these collapsing times would be to look after # 1 first...........oh, I see, they are.............
 

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Just so you know where Obama stands:
YouTube - Pro-Israel Highlights of Barack Obama Speech for AIPAC

No American politician would dare interfere with US funding of Israel's war machine. Israel has very powerful allies in the US. Any politician would be committing political suicide if they criticized Israel. Here's the reality:

AIPAC's Hold

Absolutely Correct!

Israel has extremely powerful allies in the United States.....

They are called "The People".....Indeed, these "people" have been the driving force behind the government and policy of the USA for almost 250 years!

This must be stopped! In the name of all that is decent!

:cool::smile::roll:
 

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I am glad to hear that the USA will continue to aid the state of Israel........a democratic, free nation standing alone amidst a sea of Arab tyranny.......more or less.:cool:

BTW, guys, you should really look at the facts before you make a damned fool of yourself........only, and I mean ONLY in Israel do the Jews make up a significant part of the voting population.

In the USA they are about 2.2% of the population.........so much for the "Jewish vote":roll:

People vote based on perceptions. Perceptions can be easily manipulated by advertising and press coverage. That's the sad reality. Effectively most so called "democracies" are in reality "plutocracies".

Israel's supporters include many rich and powerful Jewish and non-Jewish Americans. These people detemine who win elections, not the sheeple. These plutocrats can crush any politician who dares criticize Israel.

The same forces exist in Canada. They are far stronger in English Canada than in French Canada, because they control most English media. These people helped elect Harper because he is extremely pro-Israel. Harper uses words like "unshakable" to describe Canada's (his) support for Israel and "measured" to describe Canada's (his)support of Israel's war crimes and crimes against humanity.

But the current situation is changing. Over time and with immigration, Arabs and Muslims will eventually gain power and influence in the US and Canada. Also its harder for Israel to suppress our knowledge of their war crimes and crimes against humanity because of the internet. The pictures and stories are posted within 24 hours.
 
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earth_as_one

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Absolutely Correct!

Israel has extremely powerful allies in the United States.....

They are called "The People".....Indeed, these "people" have been the driving force behind the government and policy of the USA for almost 250 years!

This must be stopped! In the name of all that is decent!

:cool::smile::roll:

Israel has done very little for the US or Canada. The average person's support for Israel is based on misinformation. If people were actually aware of what Israel has done and is doing, I'm sure most would not support their war crimes or crimes against humanity.

The US's support for Israel, their support of pro-Israel dictatorships in Iran (the Shah), Egypt and Jordan, their support for corrupt dictatorships in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait are all reasons why many Arabs and Muslims have become radicalized against the US. US foreign policy causes hundreds of millions of people to live under oppression and suffer injustice.
 

earth_as_one

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That's pretty lazy:

Criticize Israel? You're an Anti-Semite!

How can we have a real discussion about Mideast peace if speaking honestly about Israel is out of bounds?

By Rosa Brooks:

09/01/06 "Los Angeles Times" -- -- EVER WONDER what it's like to be a pariah?

Publish something sharply critical of Israeli government policies and you'll find out. If you're lucky, you'll merely discover that you've been uninvited to some dinner parties. If you're less lucky, you'll be the subject of an all-out attack by neoconservative pundits and accused of rabid anti-Semitism.

This, at least, is what happened to Ken Roth. Roth — whose father fled Nazi Germany — is executive director of Human Rights Watch, America's largest and most respected human rights organization. (Disclosure: I have worked in the past as a paid consultant for the group.) In July, after the Israeli offensive in Lebanon began, Human Rights Watch did the same thing it has done in Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Bosnia, East Timor, Sierra Leone, Congo, Uganda and countless other conflict zones around the globe: It sent researchers to monitor the conflict and report on any abuses committed by either side.

It found plenty. On July 18, Human Rights Watch condemned Hezbollah rocket strikes on civilian areas within Israel, calling the strikes "serious violations of international humanitarian law and probable war crimes." So far, so good. You can't lose when you criticize a terrorist organization.

But Roth and Human Rights Watch didn't stop there. As the conflict's death toll spiraled — with most of the casualties Lebanese civilians — Human Rights Watch also criticized Israel for indiscriminate attacks on civilians. Roth noted that the Israeli military appeared to be "treating southern Lebanon as a free-fire zone," and he observed that the failure to take appropriate measures to distinguish between civilians and combatants constitutes a war crime.

The backlash was prompt. Roth and Human Rights Watch soon found themselves accused of unethical behavior, giving aid and comfort to terrorists and anti-Semitism. The conservative New York Sun attacked Roth (who is Jewish) for having a "clear pro-Hezbollah and anti-Israel bias" and accused him of engaging in "the de-legitimization of Judaism, the basis of much anti-Semitism." Neocon commentator David Horowitz called Roth a "reflexive Israel-basher … who, in his zest to pillory Israel at every turn, is little more than an ally of the barbarians." The New Republic piled on, as did Alan Dershowitz, who claimed Human Rights Watch "cooks the books" to make Israel look bad. And writing in the Jewish Exponent, Jonathan Rosenblum accused Roth of resorting to a "slur about primitive Jewish bloodlust."

Anyone familiar with Human Rights Watch — or with Roth — knows this to be lunacy. Human Rights Watch is nonpartisan — it doesn't "take sides" in conflicts. And the notion that Roth is anti-Semitic verges on the insane.

But what's most troubling about the vitriol directed at Roth and his organization isn't that it's savage, unfounded and fantastical. What's most troubling is that it's typical. Typical, that is, of what anyone rash enough to criticize Israel can expect to encounter. In the United States today, it just isn't possible to have a civil debate about Israel, because any serious criticism of its policies is instantly countered with charges of anti-Semitism. Think Israel's tactics against Hezbollah were too heavy-handed, or that Israel hasn't always been wholly fair to the Palestinians, or that the United States should reconsider its unquestioning financial and military support for Israel? Shhh: Don't voice those sentiments unless you want to be called an anti-Semite — and probably a terrorist sympathizer to boot...

Criticize Israel? You're an Anti-Semite!

Really? I never noticed.
 

earth_as_one

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its funny how "the jew thing" is trundled out when when israel is mentioned.
Anyone who criticizes Israel is anti-Semitic, unless of course the critic is Jewish, like Ken Roth of Human Rights Watch. Jews who criticize Israel are known "self-hating" Jews.
 

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Can one really make a argument as to there being a difference between being a Israeli and a Jew, they are one and the same. That is what gives them their strength.
 
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Can one really make a argument as to there being a difference between being a Israeli and a Jew, they are one and the same. That is what gives them their strength.
You should have posted this in string about whether or not Israel is a racist state. Your attitude is shared by many but not all Israeli Jews. Its why imprisoning Palestinians in giant concetration camps will not lead to peace. After that comes taking away the citizenship of non-Jewish Israelis and transferring them to the concentration camps. Oh sorry, they are called "security barriers". BTW does Israel plan to starve all the Palestinians or just the ones who misbehave?
 

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The US government is spending money on a lot of things. Why would this particular expense be cut? The majority of people here support Israel's right to exist and know that comes with a US$ price tag. I doubt it would be the first thing on the chopping block. It's a tiny expense compared to much less popular programs like the war in Iraq so it's unlikely to become much of an issue . It's all about perspective. 3billion a year seems like chump change when we're getting stimulus bills that cost hundreds of billions of dollars.