O.B.A.M.A. One Big A-- Mistake

[Tyr]

The latest from the increaingly strident and desperate far right fringe

Of course they're selling it (gotta make a buck on everything not nailed down)

O.B.A.M.A. One Big A-- Mistake, America. Barack Obama is a Marxist and is opposed to the conservative values that made America great. His recent signing of the $787 Billion Stimulus Bill marked the end of America as we know it and the beginning of socialism on a national scale.

Let's face it. It was one colossal, stubborn, "donkey" of a mistake for Americans to elect Barack Obama. These are humorous yet strong words. There comes a time when strong language is necessary to get people's attention. This technique was used in the Bible during times of crisis and/or when circumstances required a wake-up call. Take a moment to listen to Pastor Mark Driscoll address the subject of the Bible's use of harsh language. This video is not meant to be an endorsement of this bumper sticker or a reflection of Mark Driscoll's political views. But it does make you think.

 

[Spade]

Heavens!
All
Right-minded
People
Expect
Rewards!

 

[A4NoOb]

I wouldn't say that this $800 billion Stimulus Bill makes Obama socialist but a heavy spender. I would understand he's means to do so if Obama had actually allocated this money efficiently. Reagan practised a similar stratagem investing roughly $1 trillion into the military industry and it produced tremendous results. However Obama is just feeding what the population wants (pandering was one of his specialties during the campaign). So far, this bill is substantially pork without any specific vision or goal for the economy. It's ironic that Obama claims to make a bi-partisan effort while shoving this 1000 page bill in Republican's faces 11 pm the night before the vote.

 

[karrie]

The latest from the increaingly strident and desperate far right fringe

Of course they're selling it (gotta make a buck on everything not nailed down)

O.B.A.M.A. One Big A-- Mistake, America. Barack Obama is a Marxist and is opposed to the conservative values that made America great. His recent signing of the $787 Billion Stimulus Bill marked the end of America as we know it and the beginning of socialism on a national scale.

lol... that is hilarious considering the spending started with the bail-out Bush got rolling while he was still in. But, like you say, the fringe are always desperate to find ammo.

 

[Tyr]

I wouldn't say that this $800 billion Stimulus Bill makes Obama socialist but a heavy spender. I would understand he's means to do so if Obama had actually allocated this money efficiently. Reagan practised a similar stratagem investing roughly $1 trillion into the military industry and it produced tremendous results. However Obama is just feeding what the population wants (pandering was one of his specialties during the campaign). So far, this bill is substantially pork without any specific vision or goal for the economy. It's ironic that Obama claims to make a bi-partisan effort while shoving this 1000 page bill in Republican's faces 11 pm the night before the vote.

Reagan practised a similar stratagem investing roughly $1 trillion into the military industry and it produced tremendous results.

It produced the same result.... huge debt. Reagan''s tenure was teh beginning of the deficit cycle

However Obama is just feeding what the population wants So far, this bill is substantially pork without any specific vision or goal for the economy

Maybe. It's his attempt to clean up 8 yrs of a financial morass.

So far, this bill is substantially pork without any specific vision or goal for the economy

...and somehow that is different from previous administrations? It contains far less pork than the last two budgets

What would YOU change?

 

[EagleSmack]

Well just as the Left Wing Liberal fringe pounded Bush from Day 1. Not it is Obama's turn. My brother is a big liberal... and Obama diciple... you should hear us go at it! Now I want Obama to succeed... I do. We need a good Prez now more than ever. After listening to him whine about Bush the last 8 years it has been a great month just bashing Obama and seeing him get all red.

In short... the shoe is on the other foot.


I do not think his stimulus will work though.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

The latest from the increaingly strident and desperate far right fringe

Of course they're selling it (gotta make a buck on everything not nailed down)

O.B.A.M.A. One Big A-- Mistake, America. Barack Obama is a Marxist and is opposed to the conservative values that made America great. His recent signing of the $787 Billion Stimulus Bill marked the end of America as we know it and the beginning of socialism on a national scale.

Let's face it. It was one colossal, stubborn, "donkey" of a mistake for Americans to elect Barack Obama. These are humorous yet strong words. There comes a time when strong language is necessary to get people's attention. This technique was used in the Bible during times of crisis and/or when circumstances required a wake-up call. Take a moment to listen to Pastor Mark Driscoll address the subject of the Bible's use of harsh language. This video is not meant to be an endorsement of this bumper sticker or a reflection of Mark Driscoll's political views. But it does make you think.

Tyr you are entitled to your opinion, but sorry to say your post is ill advised.
The stupidest mistake the American people made was to punish the Democrats because of Bill and Monica, which, as we all know became the down slide of America.
America did extraordinarily fine for economics during the 8 year Clinton presidency, but when some one gets bothered by a small thing and overlooks the big picture, then that is what we have witnessed, the American choice for switching the political party that had a good 8 year truck record because of a small human problem Clinton encountered the American people f them self’s in the ear, and they did it good 1 Trillion money wasted with out any return but more then 4000 men and women dead . Now as far as Obama goes he is not a self-righteous fool like Bush was and is. Obama is a better man then you or Bush or anyone who doesn’t like him because he is black and it looks that your motive is the same.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I do not think his stimulus will work though.

EagleSmack, just how would you know if his stimulus has worked or not? If there indeed is a recovery in 2010 (as many economists expect there would be), Obama and Democrats will claim credit for it. But then could we say that the stimulus worked? How do we know that we wouldn’t have got a recovery (perhaps even a stronger recovery) without the stimulus?

On the other hand, let us say that economy does not recover in 2010 or 2011. How do we know that the stimulus failed? The recession may have turned into a full blown depression (with unemployment of 25%) without the stimulus package.

At the end of the day, we have no way of knowing if the stimulus worked or not, it will all be reduced to a political argument.

Come next election, Democrats will say that stimulus helped the economy; Republicans will say that it hurt the economy. If there is a recovery, voters will reward the Democrats, if there isn’t a recovery, they will turf Democrats out.

So it all has to do with how the economy is in two years’ time, and nothing to do with whether the stimulus worked or not (we have no way of knowing that).

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Tyr, where did you read this rant? Let me list all the epithets that the far right has used in describing Obama.

Socialist
Marxist
Fascist
Communist (inexplicably, the far right calls Obama Fascist and a Communist at the same time).
An illegal alien, a non citizen of USA
A Muslim terrorist – he supposedly got his education in a terrorist Madrasaa in Indonesia and took part in terrorist activities with Bill Ayers.
A tool of USSR – Supposedly he was groomed by the (now non existent) USSR to take over USA and do USSR’s bidding.
A tool of Reid and Pelosi – He is supposed to be just a figurehead, all the power being wielded by the leader of the Senate and Speaker of the House.

I am sure there are several more that I have missed.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I do not think his stimulus will work though.

EagleSmack, just how would you know if his stimulus has worked or not? If there indeed is a recovery in 2010 (as many economists expect there would be), Obama and Democrats will claim credit for it. But then could we say that the stimulus worked? How do we know that we wouldn’t have got a recovery (perhaps even a stronger recovery) without the stimulus?

On the other hand, let us say that economy does not recover in 2010 or 2011. How do we know that the stimulus failed? The recession may have turned into a full blown depression (with unemployment of 25%) without the stimulus package.

At the end of the day, we have no way of knowing if the stimulus worked or not, it will all be reduced to a political argument.

Come next election, Democrats will say that stimulus helped the economy; Republicans will say that it hurt the economy. If there is a recovery, voters will reward the Democrats, if there isn’t a recovery, they will turf Democrats out.

So it all has to do with how the economy is in two years’ time, and nothing to do with whether the stimulus worked or not (we have no way of knowing that).

SirJosephPorter good day to you, looking at the financial damage, Bush has caused for the American people their homes their livelihoods. After this colossal mess the American people are faced with, is highly unlikely, not even possible that the American people would turf the Democrats and vote in the Cons.

Obama has inherited a mess that will probably take 2 terms to repair. If you are basing your opinion that after 2 years the Dems will be thrown out because the economy will still be in a mess, well you may be surprised with the out come. The Democrats are here to stay in America. Sorry to disappoint you, enjoy the weekend.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

[FONT=&quot]when some one gets bothered by a small thing and overlooks the big picture, then that is what we have witnessed[/FONT]
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Socrates, perhaps you don’t know America that well, I do (I lived in USA for eight years). USA is a very puritanical society; to them the sexual peccadillo by the President is not a small matter, but a huge deal.

In any other country (even in Canada), it wouldn’t have been big news, it wouldn’t have mattered much. Sure, it would have made news for a while, but it would have settled down eventually.

But two factors were working against Democrats. First was that Americans get all apoplectic if the President commits any sexual peccadillo. The other is that Republicans were in control of the Congress, and they were just looking for an excuse to impeach and kick out Clinton. And they got one with the sexual indiscretion.

If not sexual indiscretion, they would have found some other excuse to impeach and convict Clinton. As you may recall, the impeachment was a purely partisan effort, they did not get a single Democrat to vote for conviction in the Senate, and quite a few Republican Senators voted against it. Indeed, the Nixon impeachment was a lesson in how to do it, Clinton impeachment was a lesson in how not to do it.

If the economy doesn’t improve by 2010, I can well see Republicans taking control of one or both chambers of the Congress. If that happens, we can look forward to impeachment of Obama, even if Republicans control only the Senate or the House.

People will put Republicans in control presumably because economy would still be in the tank. But rather than fix the economy, the first action of Republican controlled House or Senate will be to start impeachment proceedings against Obama. If that happens, 2011 will be spent almost exclusively in impeachment, and economy will go further down the toilet.

If Democrats cannot fix the economy, USA may well be staring at a full blown depression, with unemployment of 25%.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

[FONT=&quot]Obama has inherited a mess that will probably take 2 terms to repair. If you are basing your opinion that after 2 years the Dems will be thrown out because the economy will still be in a mess, well you may be surprised with the out come. The Democrats are here to stay in America. Sorry to disappoint you, enjoy the weekend.[/FONT]
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Socrates, I hope you are right and Democrats are here to stay. I am a liberal myself. However, if the economy is as bad at the end of 2010 is it is now, next election will be very difficult for Democrats. People are not expecting Obama to fix in two years the mess Bush created in eight years. You are right, it is a two term, or eight year job.

However, I think people will need to see some signs of improvement by middle of next year, stabilization of the economy, perhaps some improvement in unemployment picture, some easing of credit crunch, some pick up in the stock market etc. If economy is as bad or worse then than it is now, I can well see Democrats losing at least the House (and perhaps even the Senate, though I think that is less likely) in 2010.

As I said in my previous post, I think people will be making a big mistake if they put Republicans in in 2010, because the first thing Republicans will do is start impeachment proceedings, damn the economy (same as they did in 1994). But if the economy is still in the same sorry state it is today, Democrats will have a tough time in next election.

 

[EagleSmack]

I do not think his stimulus will work though.

EagleSmack, just how would you know if his stimulus has worked or not? If there indeed is a recovery in 2010 (as many economists expect there would be), Obama and Democrats will claim credit for it. But then could we say that the stimulus worked? How do we know that we wouldn’t have got a recovery (perhaps even a stronger recovery) without the stimulus?

Did I say it didn't work? I said I do not think it will work. If it DOES work they should claim credit for it as it would have been their idea. I hope it does and I hope there is a recovery. I just don't think this type of stimulus will work.

On the other hand, let us say that economy does not recover in 2010 or 2011. How do we know that the stimulus failed? The recession may have turned into a full blown depression (with unemployment of 25%) without the stimulus package.

If what you say happens then the stimulus would not have worked. THEN Obama and the Democrats have to accept that all these billions were uselessly spent and their plan failed. The stimulus was sold as not to prevent a depression but to right an economy that is in the pits and falling still.

At the end of the day, we have no way of knowing if the stimulus worked or not, it will all be reduced to a political argument.

If the economy starts getting better and stays stable then it would have worked. Look Joe... that is how the Dems and Obama are selling it.

Come next election, Democrats will say that stimulus helped the economy; Republicans will say that it hurt the economy. If there is a recovery, voters will reward the Democrats, if there isn’t a recovery, they will turf Democrats out.

True on all accounts.

So it all has to do with how the economy is in two years’ time, and nothing to do with whether the stimulus worked or not (we have no way of knowing that).

I hear what you are saying. Any recovery or failure to recover will be tied to this stimulus. For good or bad... the stimulus will be the reason.

 

[Zzarchov]

I always laugh when I hear the term "pork"

The whole point of a stimulus for a consumer economy IS pork.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I hear what you are saying. Any recovery or failure to recover will be tied to this stimulus. For good or bad... the stimulus will be the reason.

You are quite right, EagleSmack, any recovery or failure will be tied to the stimulus, in peoples’ mind. But that does not necessarily mean that the recovery or the failure was caused by the stimulus, we just don’t know.

There is really no way of knowing if the stimulus worked or not, people will judge the stimulus by what happens to the economy, but we really have no way of knowing if the stimulus helped or made the matters worse.

 

[EagleSmack]

Oh yeah... do not think the Democrats are secure in their seats for all eternity. Anyone who thinks that does not understand American politics or Americans as much as they think they do.

But come now... A puritanical society! Give me a break. Name one place in Canada with as much decadence as Las Vegas. The adult industry is HUGE here and very well protected. The only thing I ever heard about anything like that in Canada is they have nice strip clubs in Montreal.

This Right Wing Evangical control of the country is horse dung. THAT is FEAR MONGERING. Clinton was swept into office twice...unseated a sitting President and demolished Dole for his second term. Obama waltzed in as well as did the Democrats two years ago.

Clinton was not impeached for what he did with Lewinsky but for perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power in the course of denying it. Yes it was political and the Left would have gone after any Republican President if he had done the same.

 

[karrie]

But come now... A puritanical society! Give me a break. Name one place in Canada with as much decadence as Las Vegas. The adult industry is HUGE here and very well protected. The only thing I ever heard about anything like that in Canada is they have nice strip clubs in Montreal.

One could easily argue that Las Vegas exists because the rest of the country needs an island away from the repressed attitudes. lol.

 

[JLM]

I wouldn't say that this $800 billion Stimulus Bill makes Obama socialist but a heavy spender. I would understand he's means to do so if Obama had actually allocated this money efficiently. Reagan practised a similar stratagem investing roughly $1 trillion into the military industry and it produced tremendous results. However Obama is just feeding what the population wants (pandering was one of his specialties during the campaign). So far, this bill is substantially pork without any specific vision or goal for the economy. It's ironic that Obama claims to make a bi-partisan effort while shoving this 1000 page bill in Republican's faces 11 pm the night before the vote.

That works out to $2700 per American- not huge money when compared to the average person's net worth.

 

[EagleSmack]

One could easily argue that Las Vegas exists because the rest of the country needs an island away from the repressed attitudes. lol.

There is New York... LA... South Beach...heck even here in Boston! A quick ride from Salem.

Whatever you want... you can find it.

The ONLY place that is very strict is Utah because of the Mormons. Now THAT is as close to puritanical as you can get. But they are great people. Maybe some places down south..some counties are a little strict. But this Pilgrimesque (new word!) type living is just a fantasy AND FEAR MONGERING by the Left! :lol:

 

[SirJosephPorter]

The ONLY place that is very strict is Utah because of the Mormons.

EagleSmack, it is not only Utah which is puritanical, there is the entire Bible Belt. Until recently sodomy was a crime in Texas, punishable by 10 years of imprisonment, until Supreme Court overturned it. And religious right has vowed to make sodomy a crime once again.

So the whole Bible Belt, Texas, Alabama (home of Selma and of the Ten Commandment judge Roy Moore), Mississippi (of the civil rights fame), Georgia and so on. Then there is the Midwest, which while not as puritanical as the Bible Belt, is still very conservative.

There are only pockets of liberalism in USA, such as New York, California, Massachusetts etc. (and they are not really liberal by Canadian standards). Most of the country is very conservative, much more conservative than Canada or Europe.

That is also evident in the laws of the country. Homosexuals do not enjoy equal rights in USA, in many states, it is perfectly legal to throw a gay person out of his/her apartment, to fire him from a job etc. just for being gay. Compare that to Canada, where gays can get married, same as heterosexuals. Incidentally, support for gay marriage runs at 35% in USA and at 60% in Canada.

In USA there is a big movement to ban abortion, and it would very likely have succeeded if McCain had won instead of Obama. In Canada, there are no laws regulating abortion.

USA has death penalty and the Bible Belt states, especially Texas execute several criminals every year. Canada has no death penalty. Prostitution is illegal except in some counties of Nevada. In Canada (and most of Europe), prostitution is legal.

In most issues, USA is very conservative and puritanical, much more so than Canada or Europe. Indeed, a liberal in USA will be considered a conservative in Canada. If Obama had to run for political office in Canada, he would have to run as a conservative, not as a leader of the Liberal party (and Obama wouldn’t’ get my vote, too conservative for my taste).

People are much more religious in USA compared to other countries, a much greater proportion of them attend church compared to Canada. I have also read statistics that interracial marriage is much more common in Canada than in USA.

By most measures, USA is a puritanical society.