U.S. plan to arm militias scares some in Afghanistan

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An Afghan police men investigate at the site of a suicide attack in outskirts of Kabul, Afghanistan, Sunday, Feb 1, 2009.

CTV.ca | U.S. plan to arm militias scares some in Afghanistan

MAIDAN SHAHR, Afghanistan -- A U.S.-backed plan to create militias and give them guns to fight the Taliban is drawing criticism from local authorities in areas where the first units are being rolled out, raising questions as to whether the effort can succeed in Afghanistan.

The militias have been compared to the U.S.-fostered Awakening Councils in Iraq, which have often been credited with reducing violence there, and are similar to neighboring Pakistan's tribal armies which also have been touted as a success.

On Saturday, Afghanistan's interior minister announced the program had begun, and that the United States would be paying for all aspects, including buying Kalashnikov automatic rifles for members of the Afghan Public Protection Force.

One skeptical Afghan official said only criminals would join because most citizens wouldn't want to face the Taliban in combat. And critics question the wisdom of handing out weapons to Afghans when the government and UN have been trying to reduce the number of arms in the country. They fear the plan could stoke rivalries between ethnic groups with a bloody past.

"One of the causes of violence in Afghanistan is because most people do not give up their weapons. Now you want to again give weapons to the villages?" said Mohammed Hussain Fahimi, the deputy of the provincial council in Wardak, where officials say the units will be first deployed. "We never learn our lessons."

Wardak lies southwest of the capital of Kabul and is increasingly falling under Taliban control, illustrating the growing influence of the Islamic insurgents in the years since the 2001 U.S.-led invasion.

Fahimi was one of several government officials and residents interviewed in Wardak by The Associated Press last week, all of whom expressed skepticism about the plan.

President Barack Obama has said stabilizing Afghanistan will be a U.S. priority and plans to nearly double the number of American troops from the roughly 34,000 in the country today.

He has not commented on the militia plan, but it has been endorsed by Gen. David Petraeus, the head of U.S. Central Command and the former top commander in Iraq whose outreach to Sunni sheiks helped oust militants from key areas and sharply decreased attacks.

Officials say the force will be guarding highways, schools, clinics and other government institutions. It is still not clear how large and widespread the militias will be.

Col. Greg Julian, the U.S. military's spokesman in Afghanistan, said the United States will mentor, train and give back-up to the new village forces, but Afghanistan's interior ministry is in charge of the program.

While Iraq's Awakening Councils are made up along tribal lines, officials say the militias in Afghanistan are to be drawn up by the local councils who are being told to make their choices based on character, not tribal affiliations.

Yet few Afghans believed tribal loyalties can be avoided, with many fearful the new force would fall under the control of local warlords who could even join with the Taliban.

Another council member, Mohammed Mukhlis, predicted only thieves and criminals would join the force, mostly because no one would risk being killed by the Taliban to defend the discredited government.

"For the last seven years, the government didn't do anything for the nation, so people in the districts don't trust them," he said.

Mukhlis's home of Saydabad will be one of the first areas to get the militias he opposes. Overrun by Taliban, Mukhlis can no longer go to his home and has moved to a walled compound closer to Kabul.

"Right now I am safe here, but I don't know if in another few months I will have to move again, even closer to Kabul, to escape Taliban," he said.

Wrangling by Afghanistan's various non-Pashtun ethnic groups has also marred the establishment of the village militias, officials said.

The tribes in Afghanistan's east and south -- where the militias will be needed the most -- are almost exclusively Pashtun, the majority ethnic group in Afghanistan.

Non-Pashtuns balk at arming ethnic Pashtuns while disarming the rest of the country.

Saleh Mohammed Registani, an ethnic Tajik member of parliament, warned that a newly armed Pashtun militia would create deeper fissures between Afghanistan's Pashtun and non-Pashtun people, who are struggling to heal from decades of retaliatory attacks and discrimination.

"If this goes ahead, the south will become a no-go place for non-Pashtuns and it will encourage other people to find weapons to defend themselves," Registani said. "As a non-Pashtun, if I know someone has weapons, I won't go there. These militias will eventually come together with Taliban because they are all Pashtuns and they will not fight against each other."

History also suggests the militias may not work.

In the 1980s, the communist government of President Najibullah, besieged by U.S.-backed mujahedeen fighters, put the job of securing villages in the hands of village militias. That backfired because villagers, frustrated by the heavy-handedness of the militias, turned to the mujahedeen for security.

The United Nations has been struggling since the collapse of the Taliban to disarm Afghanistan's myriad militias, many of the gunmen loyal to warlords. The UN has spent millions of dollars on its Disarmament, Demobilization and Reintegration program, which was launched within months of the Taliban's ouster -- although some say it really got going two years late.

The plan included collecting weapons and integrating warlords' private militias into army and police units. But while thousands of pieces of weaponry have been handed in, much of it is said to be antiquated. Many warlords, meanwhile, have retained their militias.

"When you give everyone weapons, everyone will think they are king," said Mullah Abdul Salam Zaeef, who was the Taliban's ambassador to Pakistan before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. "It's not just a mistake, it is stupid."

Joanna Nathan, an Afghan analyst with the Brussels-based International Crisis Group, called the militias a "quick fix" to a deteriorating security situation by both the international forces and the government of President Hamid Karzai.

A similar project in 2006 armed thousands of "auxiliary police." It was soon disbanded, Nathan said, with a third joining the police and the rest disappearing -- along with their weapons.

"It's a constant cycle of quick fixes," she said.

Part the problem is the regular turnover of international officials who want to show some improvement during their watch and offer up new proposals.

"Every few years, another set of foreigners come in and they all need to demonstrate real change in their time."

Nathan said money and training should be invested in Afghanistan's police as the "absolute priority at the district level."

She also said there should be an effort at "really cleaning up the Interior Ministry."

"We are going to have to grit our teeth and focus on the long term," Nathan added. "There are no quick solutions."

Indeed... she sounds like she knows what she's talking about.

What may have worked in Iraq may not work in Afghanistan..... two different wars, two different countries.

This does seem like a quick fix to get more troops.... but as they said above, similar attempts failed miserably and those aux. police they mentioned above turned out to be worse then the Taliban themselves, based on what Afghans have reported. (ie: Briberies to pass a paticular road, taking of supplies from villagers, etc.)
 

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I remember a US Soldier saying in an interview that "Nobody is innocent over there"

Tricky situation for sure.
 

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I remember a US Soldier saying in an interview that "Nobody is innocent over there"

Tricky situation for sure.

It is indeed a tricky situation..... I agree with that, but if the US is sending thousands more troops straight from Iraq and many of them hold to that same mentality you described above, then I see the whole Afghanistan situation resetting back to square one and turning into Iraq Insurgency II: The Resurection
 

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I remember a US Soldier saying in an interview that "Nobody is innocent over there"

Tricky situation for sure.

Certainly not the US military....

In November 2005, The Chicago Tribune and the Los Angeles Times, alleged that the United States military had manipulated news reported in Iraqi media in an effort to cast a favorable light on its actions while demoralizing the insurgency. Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a military spokesman in Iraq, said the program is "an important part of countering misinformation in the news by insurgents", while a spokesman for former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said the allegations of manipulation were troubling if true. The Department of Defense has confirmed the existence of the program. The New York Times published an article about how the Pentagon has started to use contractors with little experience in journalism or public relations to plant articles in the Iraqi press. These articles are usually written by US soldiers without attribution or are attributed to a non-existent organization called the "International Information Center
 

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It is indeed a tricky situation..... I agree with that, but if the US is sending thousands more troops straight from Iraq and many of them hold to that same mentality you described above, then I see the whole Afghanistan situation resetting back to square one and turning into Iraq Insurgency II: The Resurection

I think geography will prevent it from being Iraq Part II. It is not as built up as Iraq was. A buddy of mine said...

"We always talk about bombing them back to the Stone Age... but in Afghanistan they are already in the Stone Age."

He perhaps exaggerated some but I am sure you get the meaning. There are large expanses of waste and open space which I think leads to the difficulty of the Taliban moving real forces into fight the coalition.
 

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Remember when Russia sent in troops to help prop up the Karmal government?

Well, the Karzai government is making the same request.

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Russia offers hand to Karzai

By FISNIK ABRASHI Associated Press
Published: 1/20/2009 2:24 AM
Last Modified: 1/20/2009 2:51 AM

Russia is ready to cooperate on defense matters with Afghanistan, the Afghan president said Monday. The announcement coincides with increasingly public tensions between Afghan and Western officials, as well as Russia's heightened efforts to assert itself on the international stage.

In a letter, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said cooperation on defense issues would "be effective for both countries and also effective for maintaining security in the region," Afghan President Hamid Karzai's office said in a statement.

"As a friendly government to Afghanistan, Russia is ready to offer its cooperation to an independent and a democratic Afghanistan," the statement quoted Medvedev as saying.

Confusing to the American coalition? just asking...
 

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I think anything could help to resolve the situation.

Confused? I doubt it

Curious? Absolutly.
 

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Remember when Russia sent in troops to help prop up the Karmal government?

Well, the Karzai government is making the same request.

Quote:
Russia offers hand to Karzai

By FISNIK ABRASHI Associated Press
Published: 1/20/2009 2:24 AM
Last Modified: 1/20/2009 2:51 AM

Russia is ready to cooperate on defense matters with Afghanistan, the Afghan president said Monday. The announcement coincides with increasingly public tensions between Afghan and Western officials, as well as Russia's heightened efforts to assert itself on the international stage.

In a letter, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said cooperation on defense issues would "be effective for both countries and also effective for maintaining security in the region," Afghan President Hamid Karzai's office said in a statement.

"As a friendly government to Afghanistan, Russia is ready to offer its cooperation to an independent and a democratic Afghanistan," the statement quoted Medvedev as saying.

Confusing to the American coalition? just asking...

Not at all.... makes perfect sense. Russia's pissed about the missile defense program, a little ticked about the Georgia conflict and a few other things that the West has shoved in their face.... what better way to gain a trump card if they help out Afghanistan better then US/Natio and perhaps eventually becomes another buddy of theirs to perhaps plant some of their own fancy devices in there to cause their own little stir.
 

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Not at all.... makes perfect sense. Russia's pissed about the missile defense program, a little ticked about the Georgia conflict and a few other things that the West has shoved in their face.... what better way to gain a trump card if they help out Afghanistan better then US/Natio and perhaps eventually becomes another buddy of theirs to perhaps plant some of their own fancy devices in there to cause their own little stir.

But you shouldn't always look at the negative aspects of it. Perhaps it goes beyond missle defence and the desire to have stability on their southern border and NATO out of Afghanistan.

We all know what happened the last time the Russians (then Soviets) tried to plant themselves into Afghanistan and the Russians are up to their necks in Islamic exteremism as it is. I do not think the Afghans would appreciate the bear back in their woods.

I could be too hopeful though.
 

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Somehow, I can't see where arming a lot of territorial tribes and warring factions is going to do much in the way of bringing peace to the region ... at least until most of them are dead.
 

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Somehow, I can't see where arming a lot of territorial tribes and warring factions is going to do much in the way of bringing peace to the region ... at least until most of them are dead.

I can tell you what it is IMO. First off, I bet all these tribes are armed as it is. We are going to give arms to the ones who have most supported us so they can outgun the others. So instead of aging Ak-47's they are going to get SAWs, M-60's and all the ammo they can shoot.
 

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I can tell you what it is IMO. First off, I bet all these tribes are armed as it is. We are going to give arms to the ones who have most supported us so they can outgun the others. So instead of aging Ak-47's they are going to get SAWs, M-60's and all the ammo they can shoot.

How many faces does a friend of convenience have?