U.S. war resister faces deportation Christmas Eve
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There must be more than this one person. What do all the other objectors do? are they being deported too or are they just deporting this one?
I think only one has been deported so far but a lot of others are coming back on their own to face the music.
I'd be interested to know how many are still there.
I'd be interested to know how many are still there.
if you want to leave your country, get qualified, get married and start filling in the forms. that's what I did. Now the marriage made it easier but it wouldnt have been neccessary thanks to my qualifications... or he could move to the UK. They're just as lax as Canada on immigrants, and the beaurocracy moves so slowly over there he'd probably die of old age before getting deported
I do not think he had time to do all those things. They are deserters from the US Military and are fugitives from justice.
I so hope Canada send us this guy gift wrapped.
I so hope Canada send us this guy gift wrapped.
We have to watch for precedents too. I agree with keeping them if they're fleeing a military at war without UN sanction. This applies not only to Vietnam, but what about a Russian deserter to Canada from the Soviet Army against Afghanistan, or any other army around the world at war without UN approval and for reasons other than self-defence?
We do have to beware of such precedents. If we send a person back over Vietnam, then legally to be objective we'd have to do the same to all war deserters irrespective of country, army or war being faught. That's why I think UN-sancitoned wars is a good ubjective benchmark in order to protect against such a precedent. Dangerous precedent n my opinion.
We do have to beware of such precedents. If we send a person back over Vietnam, then legally to be objective we'd have to do the same to all war deserters irrespective of country, army or war being faught. That's why I think UN-sancitoned wars is a good ubjective benchmark in order to protect against such a precedent. Dangerous precedent n my opinion.
This pops up from time to time. I always go and check the War Resisters webpage to get an update.
So Robin Long I heard has written Obama. He has asked for a Presidential pardon from him as he feels his sentence is too harsh. Robin was the first guy that Canada sent back to the US. He got sentenced to 14 months in the brig and a Dishonorable Discharge which is a felony. In essence...he's screwed.
He got married in Canada and has said that because of his felony conviction it will be tough to reenter Canada and live there. Is that so?
So Robin Long I heard has written Obama. He has asked for a Presidential pardon from him as he feels his sentence is too harsh. Robin was the first guy that Canada sent back to the US. He got sentenced to 14 months in the brig and a Dishonorable Discharge which is a felony. In essence...he's screwed.
He got married in Canada and has said that because of his felony conviction it will be tough to reenter Canada and live there. Is that so?
Do we support the Iraq war? Again, this is quite subjective. I believe to go by whether or not the war is sanctioned by the UN Security Counsel, or better yet, led by the UN Security Counsel, would be a more objective and defensible criterion at the international level, and would also avoid accusations of anti-American bias on the American side as it would be a clearly objective and internationally valid criterion.
Send him home. He broke the law here in the US and the US and Canada have that little agreement that we send each others criminals back when they flee the country.
That sounds about right, which is why I have an issue with sending them back.... it's not just as simple as serving your time in military prison and then off you go with your life as nothing ever happened.
With a criminal record, esspecially a felony, it's practically impossible to get into the country, let alone to be a citizen (even if you are married to a Canadian)
Even if my girlfriend and I got married today, she'd still have to leave the country next month to get her visa renewed, she still wouldn't be covered with our health care and she still will have to go through the processes of becoming a citizen, which is to live here for 2 years at the least. (Not to mention the thousands of dollars they want you to pay in order to process the paper work.... then you wait about half a year to hear if you got in or not..... and if you don't, you don't get your money back)
It's one giant burocratic pile of dog sh*t if you ask me..... I can only imagine the mess these guys would have to go through to continue to live here if deported.
And I'm pretty sure those guys won't have such an easy life back in the US for being known as deserters.
I mean, in perfect honesty, if we had or have troops desert our forces and headed to another country to avoid legal action, I say go for it..... leave, don't come back, and I hope the new country they moved to will treat them decently so that they can start a new life.
That depends. Refresh my poor memory. I can't remember how he entered Canada. If he got in by lying then by all means send him back. If he came legally then I don't see how we can deport him. Whether or not he broke US laws is irrelevant.:?:
I heard this figure about 6 months ago, so it could be outdated, but doesn't Immigration
Canada have deportation orders for about 40,000 people who are somewhere inside of
the Country, but they just can't find them? Misplaced or displaced, that's still enough
bodies to populate a small city like Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan all by themselves...
My Daughter-in-Law is still going through the immigration process, and in her Internet
hunting for more knowledge about the process, she stumbled across a guy selling
T-Shirts that state, "I survived the Canadian Immigration Process." That say's something
about the state of our bureaucracy.
So the US and Canada do not have an extradition (sic) agreement?
If I rob a bank and make it to Canada I can thumb my nose at the Police on the US side of the border?
From what I know by a limited amount, the US or Canada can request one another to send criminals back to each other, but they really don't have to if they don't want to...... but I really don't know much about it.
I imagine if I decide to commit a crime in the US, I'll find out soon enough :-?
Well I can respect that opinion. I also agree with your statement that they will not have a good life here.
I think the guys that are getting it the worst are the ones that are really trying to fight extradition. They aren't the only ones who are getting in trouble. On reading the webpage it appears that the ones that simply say that they are refusing orders and are pleading guilty to the charge are getting a Bad Conduct Discharge and tossed from the service. That is not a felony, it sticks with you no doubt, but not like a felony charge. Some of those folks are out as we speak and still speaking out against the war as is their right.
I think it is the die hards that are grandstanding up north while still in deserter status that are getting raked over the coals. This guy Robin Long was arrested twice up there while on deserter status. I think Canada got sick of him.
I agree, send him back. We certainly don't want or need yankee criminals up here....
Ok so i have a bit less sympathy now... If you join the military, expect to get sent to war.
that's why i'd never EVER join any part of the military. I don't agree with war of any kind, and i certainly don't want to get involved in it