Quote: Originally Posted by JBeee
That`s what makes them, "good" soldiers.
Most have entered the service out of desparation. We call it `volinteering` to ease our collective conscience.
My cousin and her Husband have served over there for their own reasons and certainly not out of desperation, but by choice.
The thing you don't get is that you don't get the whole picture, the whole story of what's going on over there like they do. They're out there in front of it everyday, You're not..... all you're getting is 2nd hand hearsay from the media.
They know who they're fighting, they know who they're fighting for, they know the people in the villages who look to them for security. They know that if they leave, then the Taliban come back and punish them for helping us in the first place, then reoccupy the areas we leave and put them right back into the same positions they were originally in before we got there, only now with less friends and family and more brutality.
People find their own justifications for being in a warzone and don't need others like you to tell them what they are. The US want's their pipline? Whoopie do, that's old news..... do you think our troops on the ground seriously give two sh*t about the US's pipeline?
No..... they're there, once again and like always, to clean up after the US's mess they continually leave behind. Why should the people of Afghanistan continually have to suffer at the hands of people like the Taliban or the US and their greed.
Our troops are one of the very few who are actually cautious in regards to Civilian casualties, and it's because our troops have justified their need there as protecting those civilians..... all the while the US air strikes them, and the taliban IED and car bomb them.
Our troops are the most respected on the NATO coalition due to the places we are fighting in and the reasons for it. Our military always took the tough assignments because ours are the best, regardless of numbers or technology. You should seriously look up some history to learn what you're trying to talk about.
And if none of that is good enough for you, we'll be leaving by 2011 no matter what happens, so you can suck it up, quit your b*tching and complaining and leave it for those troops who know what they are talking about.
And they do have opinions and explainations for their actions and reasons, they are not robots like you think they are. And no matter what they have to say on duty to the media, ask those who are no longer in the military and back over seas. Listen to them and why they feel they are over there. Some will think we should be, other say we shouldn't.
Quote: Originally Posted by JBeee
You fall into a very well known catagory shadow.
And you fall in a very well known one as well.... it's called being ignorant.
Quote: Originally Posted by JBeee
Let me guess......you`re from a military family?
No, but I do.... you got a problem with that?
What does my position or my family's background have anything to do with your level of ignorance? Maybe because you don't have anybody in your family in the military? Maybe you never faced a moment in your life where you thought it was justified to sacrafice your own security and safety in life to benifit those who have none?
Yeah, those poor dumb military grunts and their families....
Do I approve of the war in Afghanistan? No
But we're in it now, and we made agreements with our allies that we would help..... and we found our country's own objectives in the war, which is to prevent the civilians from being thrown in the middle of it, anymore then they already have.
And yes, it pisses me off to know end when I hear in the news that the US Airstriked another village and killed more civilians. Which is why I am also glad we're hauling *** in 2011.
By that time the Afghan army should be up and running enough to deal with things on their own. And our troops have some of the best training in the world and were feared by the Germans in both WWI and WWII. Considering our position/location in Afghanistan, and considering we're doing a good chunk of the fighting, our civilian death count is very low.
And if the US is sending in thousands of more of their troops, from Iraq of all places, then I am glad that our troops are getting out in a few more years, because they're going to probably screw it all up with their Iraq booting mentality they're going to carry up with them.
But our military has never cut and run in the past and we have always met our obligations..... and when 2011 comes around, I'll be glad we got our asses out of there and perhaps the Afghans will stand a chance.
[quote=JBeee;1027927]oh....desparate then?. (kidding)
Ignorant then? Do you have something worthwhile to contribute to the forums or are you just on here to simply troll your *** all over the place and leave sh*t streaks?
Don`t tell me it was because of 9/11 or I`ll smack ya!!
Threatening people with physical violence now are we?
If any of us actually believed in the whole 9/11 BS, we would have sent our troops over at the same time with the US and it was only when NATO figured it was a good time to send troops in to help maintain security in which the US fokked all up. We signed the agreement to be in NATO, they went, therefore we went.
That's why we are there.
Quote: Originally Posted by taxslave
Cliffy: Have you ever met a real live soldier? I worked for DND for a while and most of the men and women I worked with are currently doing a tour in Astan. Some were in Bosnia and Rowanda. Most believe in what they are doing. Would you have rather let Hitler overrun the world just so long as you are safe? I forgot you are not a jew so it was not your problem. How about letting terrorists pour acid on school girls faces just because they want an education? Sorry I forgot your not a girl so it is not your problem. Sometimes we have to help those who are not able to protect their rights.Some are just your usual garden variety government employees who do as little as possible for a steady cheque.
Quote: Originally Posted by Cliffy
Have you ever met a real live soldier?
Yes, quite a few and after they came back from duty. One thing we are not being told by the media is the number of suicides of returned soldiers, the number of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome cases or the numbers who become drug addicts. Not too much mention of the wounded either.
They are being told about it, the media has been covering the lack of resources for our troops when they come home, more funding has since been directed towards it in order to meet the demand, and PTSD comes with any war you are put in...... and suicides? I only heard of one so far related to a troop from Afghanistan.
But by all means, feel free to educate me with your vast wisdom.
Hitler would never have ruled the world. His biggest downfall was that he overestimated his capabilities and would have fallen anyway from spreading himself too thin. I blame the allies just as much as him because they let him get away with his expansionism so they could pull themselves out of the great depression by going to war. I think all the players were complicit in that bit of theater.
Man, that is a bit on the slightly ignorant side of things. A common conclusion heard from people who tend to skim through history, rather then actually looking into the greater details of what created the situation at hand..... which there is too much to go over at this time to educate you.
The number of terrorist acts in Afghanistan pale beside the number of civilian deaths caused by occupying forces. If you want to believe the altruistic fairy tales that the media has been feeding us about what we are doing there, that is your problem. The truth will out some day.
Yeah and who's causing most of those civilian casualties? Not our troops.
Get a clue.