Quote: Originally Posted by Vanni Fucci
That was all very good and well thought out, and I appreciate that.
However, while I agree that the state does restrict rights, they at the same time are the only body that can grant them, as rights are a result of consensus, not individualism.
In order for a right to exist, that right must be recognized as such and laws must be drafted for upholding and enforcing them, otherwise it's just the incessant whining of individuals about how they've been wronged.
Before 1920 women in Canada did not have the right to vote for any office. A collective of women got together and voiced that they felt they should have that right. The government listened and the right was granted. If the government refused, then women would still not be allowed to vote. That right would not exist for them.
Even then though, women were restricted as to what offices they could vote for, and it was not until 1929 that a woman was recognized as a person by the government and able to hold a seat in the Senate.
Quebec granted unfettered voting rights to women in 1940, while the Canada restricted women's voting rights until 1950. Before this time, the right did not exist for a woman to vote in a federal election.
Vanni; Let's not confuse diferent rights here, and how they came about. Women gained the rights to vote and and become "persons" because previously they had to be property in order to be protected by their husbands or fathers, they really had no legal protection other than that, and could be considered harlots without such protection. How long must we apologise for that?
The right to vote or participate in government is not a government given right, they fought for it,
the government didn't give it to them, maybe I just think of it differently than you, but women were granted their due, finally. It is my strong belief that those who are governed must have a say in those who govern them, that is not a government given right, but our right which we must defend.
What has evolved is the law, from medieval times to now. Knowing the cyclical perisods of civilisation we can see how civilization progresses from bondage to freedom to bondage, and repeats itself. Our only hope is to prolong the freedom period. But again, we have to hold on to the rights we have, and hopefully get back the ones we lost.
Last edited by bobnoorduyn; Dec 19th, 2008 at 11:20 PM..