Family outraged after Ont. girl buried without brain
What do you think? Are they over reacting or do they have every right to have their daughter's brain and they should have returned her entire body back for burial?
Family outraged after Ont. girl buried without brain
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Family outraged after Ont. girl buried without brain
What do you think? Are they over reacting or do they have every right to have their daughter's brain and they should have returned her entire body back for burial?
And they couldn't hang onto someone else's brain from a family who didn't care to do that?
In my opinion, regardless of their religious views or anybody else's, it's their right to have every speck of their child returned to them. If you have to return the bodies of the dead to families so they can have their religious rituals of burying their loved ones by law, then you follow everybody's religious rituals and burial procedures to a tee..... you can't just pick and choose how you deal with the situation for some personal agenda of being the next scientist to figure out some illness.....
you can probably save all kinds of lives by using somenoe's body and organs as you wish, but if we were allowed to follow that mentality, then we'd still have the mentally challenged and minorities being test subjects like the old days..... we'd have people never seeing their loved ones' bodies again all because of the chase of a scientific discovery.
Maybe if you were lucky, you'd get a bucket of the remains they couldn't use anymore and you could bury that.
The parents brought the child into the world, they should have every right to have every last part of their child to return back to the earth..... death should have no change on those rights and the state shouldn't have any position to harvest organs/keep parts of your child for their own personal agendas. It doesn't matter if it may save more lives.... if they want to save more lives, then they can give up their own bodies or their own children when they die.
If they wanted to keep the brain, they should have specifically asked to do so and not just take it and claim the parents can't do anything about it. It's one thing to agree to an autopsy, it's another thing to agree to them keeping parts of your child after the autopsy is complete.
I'm not a follower of any paticular religion, but I am not a donor, I don't like the concept of blood transfusions, and I'm not all that keen on the thought of an autopsy done on my body..... let alone some jerk keeping parts of my body for their own sick little science fair projects.
I came into this world in one piece, I'll damn well rot back into the ground in one piece...... and unless any of my children request to be a donor or be subjected to tests after they die, they will be treated in the same fashion...... and if I ever find out that someone took organs out of my children for their own objectives, they best keep a distance of 50 feet from me, cuz I'll rip those damn organs right out of their own body as payback.
Bottom line for me: If you want to do something like the above, YOU ASK!
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If the Bill passed, next of kin would have to specify all parts remain with the body.
I think this is absolutely unacceptable. If they needed to do further testing, they should have asked if they could keep the brain. Certain religions require their followers to be burried intact. This wasn't an organ donation. I can't believe anyone would think this was ok.
I can't believe it either. I mean, autopsy doesn't mean they get to keep organs for the interns to poke during some lab or something.
They were given permission to autopsy, not given the body for medical research, seems pretty simple to me.
I think if they've hit the point where they can't understand the needs of families at a time like this, they need to find a new profession.
I think if they've hit the point where they can't understand the needs of families at a time like this, they need to find a new profession.
Should they have held back the brain without permission? No.
Is the family's emotional reaction warranted? Emotion itself requires no justification.
Is this newsworthy? Not even remotely.
Is the family's emotional reaction warranted? Emotion itself requires no justification.
Is this newsworthy? Not even remotely.
I think this story is self explanatory. Is the brain still around or have the Christians eaten it yet?
Why?
Do you need me to post the poem about crusaders eating Muslims again?
Maybe then you would see the humour? :lol:
Here you go:
"Several Christian sources of the First Crusade report instances of cannibalism. Specifically, starving crusaders were reported to have eaten their fallen Muslim opponants. Although such behavior was undoubtedly very rare, sources claim that Muslims spread terrifying rumors of crusaders "who fed very greedily on the bodies of saracens." - source
The above is apologetic and not well researched. This is from the actual cannibal Christians themselves:
"Now lithe and listen lordlings, while the Christians' hap I tell,
That, as they lay in leaguer, from hunger them befell.
In evil case the army stood, their stores of food were spent:
Peter the holy Hermit, he sat before his tent:
Then came to him the King Tafur, and with him fifty score
Of men-at-arms, not one of them but hunger gnawed him sore.
'Thou holy Hermit, counsel us, and help us at our need;
Help, for God's grace, these starving men with wherewithal to feed.'
But Peter answered, 'Out, ye drones, a helpless pack that cry,
While all unburied round about the slaughtered Paynim lie.
A dainty dish is Paynim flesh, with salt and roasting due.'
'Now by my fay,' quoth King Tafur, 'the Hermit sayeth true.'
Then fared he forth the Hermit's tent, and sent his menye out,
More than ten thousand, where in heaps the Paynim lay about.
They hewed the corpses limb from limb, and disembowelled clean,
And there was sodden meat and roast, to blunt their hunger keen:
Right savory fare it seemed there; they smacked their lips and spake,--
Farewell to fasts: a daintier meal than this who asks to make?
'Tis sweeter far than porker's flesh, or bacon seethed in grease.
Let's make good cheer, and feast us here, till life and hunger cease.'" source
:lol: See, so the girl in the OP was Muslim which makes my comment funny.
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I was making fun of Christians not the little girl. I feel sorry for her. If she had died in an Islamic country I'm sure she would have had her religious beliefs respected.
I also meant my comment as a warning to our Muslim friends here. Though I don't agree with or believe in their religion I also don't think their liberty should be violated.