Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
Well like I said...we are the only ones who have fixed wing aircraft to bomb. So we provide aircover and airstrikes because the Canadian Govt is keeping their pilots nice and safe.
Most of the tactics I have read and followed by our troops.... the majority of them do not call in air strikes because the fuc everything up, kill civilians and add more resistence from the people you are trying to save, because you just bombed everything they owned.
Ever wonder why we have a low civilian death count? Because our soldiers put civilians into consideration when they go into battle. In the situations where civilians have been killed by Canadian forces, they have all been investigated, found that all proper procedures were taken, etc etc.... oh and the whole situation is then reported to the public on what actually happened.
What happens when the US does this? Well.... they either bomb the hell out of everything and hope nobody is alive to tell about it..... or they plant weapons and tools on bodies to cover their own asses..... or they say they'll look into it.... and then nothing is ever done or reported back to the public.
Maybe it's none of the public's business..... then again, maybe it's the public, their children and friends who have to face this war and send their loved ones over to kill or be killed and it is directly their business as much as it is the Afghan's business to find out what happened to their civilians...... and when you have your own military covering crap up.... killing without regard for civilian or allied life..... then you have to rethink your role in that war.
Should it continue as it is? Should your troops, friends and family be put at greater needed risk at the hands of your allies who don't seem to give a rats ***?
I say no.
Plus when you drop bombs they don't always go where you want.
Which is why we don't use them in many of our operations.... which is why if you have a civilian populated area you need to take over, YOU DON'T DROP THEM!
Jezuz.... talk about winning the civilian's hearts and minds 101.
So I also think that they would rather blame US pilots for a mistake than risk making one themselves.
The key point here in all of these reports I submit are "US-Led" operations.... and civilians or allies being killed by US troops or pilots.
If I seen any reports about Canadian forces or Canadian-Led operations where Canadian forces called in an air strike which killed allies or civilians, then I'd blame the group who requested the operation...... but this was US.... so US get's the blame for its stupidity.
You can try and pass the buck all you want..... I blame the person who gives the order and the person who pulls the trigger. Since it was the US in both cases in this report, how the hell do you get off trying to pass the buck off to someone else?
Canadians have spouted out a lot of US Air Cover when they screw up but guess what...the only air cover your guys have is from US Planes because for some reason Canada is unwilling to send their own troops Canadian planes to protect them.
By all means, give me reports where Canadian troops called in air strikes. I would really like to see how many known operations done by Canadians included air strikes, compared to operations that didn't..... I'd also like to hear how many of those Canadian-requested air strikes ended up killing allies or civilians.
See that's the thing..... I'm supplying information and reports that can be debated.... you're just pulling sh*t out of your *** with nothing to back it up.
Oh yeah.... and maybe the reason why we maybe unwilling to send in our own air strikes and aircraft is because we know the consequences when you put those you're supposed to protect at risk, so we don't. While since US troops seem to have poorer training and ability to assess a situation, let alone get put into any real risk, they'd much rather save their own troops to lessen the death counts back home, and call in air strikes at the risk of unknown afghans that you guys couldn't give a rats *** about.... simply because it's easier.
^ The problem with that is sure, you may save more troops from being wounded or killed, but you end up pissing more afghans off due to their lost homes, family and friends, and that then increases the "Enemy's" ranks and their cause..... more of them join up out of revenge for your disregard.... then the battle goes on for even longer and you end up risking even more troops in the long run.
Last edited by Praxius; Oct 23rd, 2008 at 07:41 AM..