Terrorists bomb a sour gas pipeline in BC

[Liberalman]

On CBC’s Newsworld it is being reported that another gas pipeline has been bombed in northern British Columbia. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/10/16/bc-second-pipeline-explosion-dawson-creek.html

For years the community has been complaining that the sour gas open flame has been causing miscarriages and mass sickness in the community and they are demanding that the line be shut down or the company will have to face retaliation from the community.

So far no one has died but if this continues somebody might.

I feel that the army should be deployed just like they did in Oka when the aboriginals revolted.

Harper has to do this so that the assets can be protected.

 

[scratch]

On CBC’s Newsworld it is being reported that another gas pipeline has been bombed in northern British Columbia. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2008/10/16/bc-second-pipeline-explosion-dawson-creek.html

For years the community has been complaining that the sour gas open flame has been causing miscarriages and mass sickness in the community and they are demanding that the line be shut down or the company will have to face retaliation from the community.

So far no one has died but if this continues somebody might.

I feel that the army should be deployed just like they did in Oka when the aboriginals revolted.

Harper has to do this so that the assets can be protected.

This is an issue...yes...but no army.
Ultimately makes it worse.

 

[Scott Free]

Maybe the companies should stop making the community sick!!!

You'd rather bring in the army and force sickness on them!?!

You make me sick.

 

[lone wolf]

So ... where did you come up with a headline featuring terrorists?

Not acts of terrorism: RCMP

Investigators are treating the explosions as acts of vandalism, not terrorism, Shields said.

 

[TenPenny]

Hey, look at his avatar. Next thing, he'll want to invoke the War Measures Act, and have the RCMP burn down a few barns.

That'll fix 'em.

 

[karrie]

The RCMP have their terrorism unit investigating. I think it qualifies as 'terrorism'. Generally speaking, bombing anything to try to get your way is terrorism. In this case, the term used up north when dealing with these people is 'ecoterrorist'.

The problem is that these communities have all been studied. The rates of illness and miscarriage have been looked at, and found to be no different than anywhere else. Trust me, I've lived there. The only thing higher is asthma, and that's attributed to dry prairie air, not flaring (since flaring has changed dramatically in the cleanliness in the last years, yet asthma hasn't improved).

People who do **** like this are facing a serious retaliation. Once found out, they sit in a very risky position. They've risked the lives of every person who lives near this pipeline since it's a sour line. And they're essentially lumping themselves in with Weibo and his crazed clan, which is a bad thing to do, since they were flat out targeting husbands/fathers/friends of the community before the RCMP clamped down on them... shooting at nitrogen trucks on well sites and fun stuff like that. A community full of workers doesn't take kindly to being targeted or put at risk.

 

[lone wolf]

Frightening people is terrorism. Bombing gas lines is stupid. Vandals have never been the sharpest of tools.

 

[karrie]

Frightening people is terrorism. Bombing gas lines is stupid. Vandals have never been the sharpest of tools.

These two bombings have followed hot on the tails of a letter demanding that energy production get out of the area. THAT is terrorism, not vandalism. Just, the average media consumer will hear the word 'terrorists', and think al'quaeda has come to the Peace region, rather than their drunk inbred neighbor being responsible for terrorism, thus the RCMP's hesitance to use the term.

 

[lone wolf]

I bet the gas and the company are quaking in their boots. The word "terrorism" is a bit over-used for dramatic purpose. What you see is the result of pure frustration because nobody believes what big business and politicians tell them any more ... unless you're getting rich off it.

Funny how if you're pressuring a gang of "evil bikers from Hell" out of your neighbourhood, it's called "affirmative action"

 

[Ron in Regina]

Anyone who's ever taken an H2S Alive coarse can tell you about sour gas and just
how dangerous a heavier than air gas can be. If this pipeline is up in a valley, with a
town below it, and someone successfully ruptures the pipeline, this invisible gas will
flow downhill and kill an entire town. Hell, if you run through a pocket of H2S while
holding your breath and make it to high ground, and then breath this heavy gas that is
trapped in your scarf, you're dead. This, followed by the threat letter, is Terrorism.

 

[lone wolf]

If they're using the sour gas to intentionally endanger human life ... THAT is terrorism. If they're being really stupid about trying to drive a point home on unlistening ears, that's just being really stupid. A terrorist WOULD have blown the pipe ... not just a hole in the dirt.

 

[karrie]

If they're using the sour gas to intentionally endanger human life ... THAT is terrorism. If they're being really stupid about trying to drive a point home on unlistening ears, that's just being really stupid. A terrorist WOULD have blown the pipe ... not just a hole in the dirt.

I'm sorry wolf, but, using violence or threats to drive home a point is the definition of terrorism, regardless of whether or not they're targeting people. Anyone in these towns knows the dangers posed by pipelines, and knows the dangers posed by H2S. They know they're risking everyone in the area. And they are trying to blow the pipeline. A 6 foot deep crater and a caved in pipe isn't small potatoes. We're not talking about someone strapping firecrackers to a pipeline, they're using some serious explosives.

 

[Scott Free]

Violence is sometimes required exactly to drive home a point. This PC notion that any violence is wrong, while heart warming, is nauseating and simplistic. Our whole system is based on institutionalized violence: elections, legal system, law enforcement etc., If the powers that be won't listen then their chains have to be rattled. The average Canadian isn't in debt to the company store, living in a shanty town, has medical and other social programs because of violence. That stuff wasn't just handed over to us by our "elite" masters.

 

[karrie]

terrorism nonetheless. Whether you sympathize with the message or not doesn't change the definition of the action.

 

[Avro]

Violence is sometimes required exactly to drive home a point. This PC notion that any violence is wrong, while heart warming, is nauseating and simplistic. Our whole system is based on institutionalized violence: elections, legal system, law enforcement etc., If the powers that be won't listen then their chains have to be rattled. The average Canadian isn't in debt to the company store, living in a shanty town, has medical and other social programs because of violence. That stuff wasn't just handed over to us by our "elite" masters.

Interesting pile of mumble jumble to excuse a crime.:roll:

 

[karrie]

Interesting pile of mumble jumble to excuse a crime.:roll:

But Avro, sometimes you HAVE to let families die of H2S poisoning to get your message across. It's completely and totally necessary in our current age of environmentalism to blow stuff up (and cause massive environmental damage in doing so) rather than go the legal route.

*drips with sarcasm*

 

[Scott Free]

terrorism nonetheless. Whether you sympathize with the message or not doesn't change the definition of the action.

Here we go again:

Main Entry:ter·ror·ism Pronunciation: \ˈter-ər-ˌi-zəm\ Function:noun Date:1795 : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
— ter·ror·ist \-ər-ist\ adjective or noun
— ter·ror·is·tic \ˌter-ər-ˈis-tik\ adjective

Source

Main Entry:ter·ror Pronunciation: \ˈter-ər, ˈte-rər\ Function:noun Etymology:Middle English, from Anglo-French terrour, from Latin terror, from terrēre to frighten; akin to Greek trein to be afraid, flee, tremein to tremble — more at trembleDate:14th century 1: a state of intense fear

2 a: one that inspires fear : scourge b: a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion> c: a cause of anxiety : worry d: an appalling person or thing ; especially : brat

3: reign of terror

4: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>

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So the bombing of the gas line was against a corporation not a government or population. It wasn't meant to cause fear but was meant to cause property damage.

It was meant to stop people from dying due to the pollution not cause it.

So you and Avro both fail - again :roll:

 

[lone wolf]

I'm sorry wolf, but, using violence or threats to drive home a point is the definition of terrorism, regardless of whether or not they're targeting people. Anyone in these towns knows the dangers posed by pipelines, and knows the dangers posed by H2S. They know they're risking everyone in the area. And they are trying to blow the pipeline. A 6 foot deep crater and a caved in pipe isn't small potatoes. We're not talking about someone strapping firecrackers to a pipeline, they're using some serious explosives.

If you do that I shall arrest you and should you resist, you shall be arrested bruised.... Terrorism, right?

If they were serious ... the explosives would have been attached to the pipe ... not in the ground around it. They're looking to be heard ... not to kill.

 

[karrie]

So the bombing of the gas line was against a corporation not a government or population. It wasn't meant to cause fear but was meant to cause property damage.

It was meant to stop people from dying due to the pollution not cause it.

So you and Avro both fail - again :roll:

Bombing a sour gas line in a community of oil patch workers who know the risk of what runs through that line IS terrifying and risking the population. And as the people who work for the corporation, who run the plants and maintain the pipeline, you are again attempting to coerce that population. I could declare you having 'lost' now, and roll my eyes, but I'm not a child.

 

[lone wolf]

But Avro, sometimes you HAVE to let families die of H2S poisoning to get your message across. It's completely and totally necessary in our current age of environmentalism to blow stuff up (and cause massive environmental damage in doing so) rather than go the legal route.

*drips with sarcasm*

Do you cover your ears and sing LA LA LA LA real loud often if you don't like opinions that aren't your own?