Quote: Originally Posted by EagleSmack
......I still think you don't like Americans in general.
Fair enough.... to clarify, when I have issues with the general public in the US, it's usually in reference to them allowing these things to continue, allowing themselves to be screwed over by their government, allowing someone like Bush to continue uninterupted in his screwed up plans...... to me, a level of blame should be placed.... but overalll it's the government I put direct blame on for 90% of the issues happening in the US and around the world.
As it goes for things like gun control, health care, certain laws, concepts etc..... those are debates for another time, as I imagine you have similar stances on Canada..... which I try not to hold against you or others in the US..... you're used to your way of life, as I am used to mine.
But that doesn't mean I hate yer guts.
I would love to see you guys take action and drag these arseholes through the alleys for what they did and to enact a stronger, more supportive and more controled government then what currently seems to be in place..... but as I said a few times in the past..... that's for you guys to do.... it's your country not mine.
Hey, it is our way of life. If we hold our heads high through all of this that is just how we are here. There are plenty of Americans that do nothing but complain and say how bad things are with no real solutions.
So in regards to the above, I'll ask you directly for a personal opinion.... if you had the opportunity and the means to change your current form of government, would you?
Bush and the GOP are responsible but no more responsible than the Democrat Party. They have been in power for two years and did nothing to stop this. They did not regulate or take any action to regulate when there were warning signs awhile back. In fact it was the Dems that pushed to have these loans given to people who could not afford them.
Both parties are responsible...nobody has clean hands here.
Agreed, however I still believe the Republicans have more responsibility in this issue then the Democrats..... sure the Dems have been in Congressional Power for two years now...... but Bush as president and the Republicans have been in C.Power for much longer and have had more arm wrestling strength then the Democrats to make the right decisions.
In most of the news I have been following, there have been many bills and such passed in Congress that Bush vetoed when it corssed his desk because it didn't suit his desires for one reason or another. When you have one government organization work and pass something, only to have one guy come along and cancel all that work for whatever reason, that doesn't sound right to me..... in any government/country.
I don't really like either party, but when it comes to the lesser of two evils and when it comes to placing direct blame on those who have had a part in something, I see the republicans more responsible then the Dems overall.
Very much like how I hate the Liberals and Conservatives in our government.... they are pretty much the same thing, just playing the good cop/bad cop routine for the public.
During the Conservative's run in our government in the last couple of years, I hold them responsible for a few chunks of things currently happening here in our country...... however, I have some big issues with the Liberals during that same government, such as them walking out on votes on numerous occasions and not doing their damn jobs because it would have ended up in an election call if they did...... they wern't ready, so instead of doing their jobs as they should, they played political games for their own benifit.
Both are to blame for certain situations, just as in the US.... as I see it anyways.
The next President is going to have a tough time and if things do not get better he is going to be a 1 term President.
That very well could be true...... but as a citizen of your nation, when things don't get better, but get worse, or at the least, stay the same as they are now...... how long will you or others put up with it before you demand some form of change from the current system?
4 more years? 8 more years? 12 more years? 16?
When is enough enough..... or is that a question that can be easily answered?
Well that isn't going to happen. The people do have control over the govt. but they never exersize that control. We can vote these folks out every few years but the same folks go back to congress each and every time. Even at the local level. The same people get voted in no matter how incompetent.
And that's something that bugs me..... to me, that seems like a flaw in the system.
You know, when this bailout was passed they were saying how much the country, the world needed for this to go through. But even though we were looing at an economic Armegedon it was business as usual. Along with the bill were sweeteners and pork. Grants for ridiculous things like "Wool Research" and "Children's Wooden Arrows". More perks for individual constituents on the taxpayers dime. A talk show host said that there is always room for government waste no matter how dire things are.
I am not sure if Canada has the same system where things can be added onto a bill like the above before it is passed. I haven't heard of any situations before... or perhaps nobody talks about it......
But if this does occur here, I'll be one pissed citizen..... more so then normal.