http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2008/09/12/bar-charges.html
That's going to be kinda hard to prove their direct responsibility on this.... as she could have drank at the bar for a while, seemed perfectly fine or cut off and sent home, went home and drank some more while under no supervision and then died.
I don't see how bars should be held responsible for other adult's actions and choices, even if those actions cause their own deaths.
Putting the blame and responsibility on bars and bar owners means that adults, to a degree, have no responsibility for their own actions, and if that was true..... well.....
Anybody remember in the 90's that case of the guy who raped a woman, was charged and then he claimed he was not guilty because he was under the influence of alcohol, therefore he was not responsible? "I was Too Drunk to know what I was doing" I believe were his exact words. The first judge agreed and set him free, which caused a big stink accross the nation and the case was redone by another judge and found him guilty.
^ In my opinion, no matter what you ingest that may alter your state of mind, you are the sole person responsible for those decisions and actions and should be held accountable, not someone else.
I understand a bar and their employees should be responsible for breaking up fights and other disorderly conduct for the protection of the other patrons, but they should not be responsible for anybody's actions other then their own.
If she is dead, then it's her own damn fault for not know her limit. You can not simply pick and chose a line where someone is responsible and then isn't.
And besides, many really drunk people are really good at hiding their intoxication..... for myself, besides slurred speech, I still can walk and move as though nobody would know I was hammered.... until I opened my mouth, or perhaps if they looked at my eyes.... but on those nights when I came close to alcohol poisioning in my younger years, if I did die, I would hold nobody else responsible other then myself.
I don't expect bar tenders to baby sit me the entire night.
The owner and an employee of a bar in Calmar, Alta., 50 kilometres southwest of Edmonton, now face criminal charges in the death of a woman who died from alcohol poisoning in October 2007.
Emergency crews found Tammy Kobylka, 22, dead in a home at the Calmar Trailer Park.
The provincial medical examiner found that Kobylka died of "acute ethanol toxicity."
The owner of Skip's Bar, Brian Cameron Bromley, 61, and his company, SBH Enterprises Inc., are charged with criminal negligence in causing Kobylka's death.
The bartender, Derek Allen Tithecott, 33, is charged with manslaughter as well as criminal negligence causing death.
Skip's Bar had previously been charged with violating the Alberta Gaming and Liquor Act by allowing an apparently already-drunk person to consume liquor in a licensed premises. That charge was withdrawn in May on legal advice from the Crown.
Bromley and Tithecott are scheduled to appear in Leduc provincial court on Sept. 18.
That's going to be kinda hard to prove their direct responsibility on this.... as she could have drank at the bar for a while, seemed perfectly fine or cut off and sent home, went home and drank some more while under no supervision and then died.
I don't see how bars should be held responsible for other adult's actions and choices, even if those actions cause their own deaths.
Putting the blame and responsibility on bars and bar owners means that adults, to a degree, have no responsibility for their own actions, and if that was true..... well.....
Anybody remember in the 90's that case of the guy who raped a woman, was charged and then he claimed he was not guilty because he was under the influence of alcohol, therefore he was not responsible? "I was Too Drunk to know what I was doing" I believe were his exact words. The first judge agreed and set him free, which caused a big stink accross the nation and the case was redone by another judge and found him guilty.
^ In my opinion, no matter what you ingest that may alter your state of mind, you are the sole person responsible for those decisions and actions and should be held accountable, not someone else.
I understand a bar and their employees should be responsible for breaking up fights and other disorderly conduct for the protection of the other patrons, but they should not be responsible for anybody's actions other then their own.
If she is dead, then it's her own damn fault for not know her limit. You can not simply pick and chose a line where someone is responsible and then isn't.
And besides, many really drunk people are really good at hiding their intoxication..... for myself, besides slurred speech, I still can walk and move as though nobody would know I was hammered.... until I opened my mouth, or perhaps if they looked at my eyes.... but on those nights when I came close to alcohol poisioning in my younger years, if I did die, I would hold nobody else responsible other then myself.
I don't expect bar tenders to baby sit me the entire night.
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