Let pupils abandon spelling rules, says academic

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Let pupils abandon spelling rules, says academic


Children are being held back at school because they are forced to memorise irregular spellings and learn how to use the apostrophe, a leading academic will claim this week.
John Wells, Emeritus Professor of Phonetics at University College London and president of the Spelling Society, will use the society’s centenary dinner this week to call for a “freeing up” of English spelling.
“The teaching of literacy in schools is a major worry. It seems highly likely that one of the reasons Britain and other English-speaking countries have problems with literacy is because of our spelling and the burden it places on children.

In Finnish, once you have learned the letters, you know how to spell, so it would be ludicrous to hold spelling tests. In countries like Italy and Spain it’s similar. But with English it’s not phonetic, and there are just so many irregularities,” he told The Times.

It seems to be a great pity that English-speaking countries are holding back children in this way. There are lots of other things that are neglected in class because so much time is spent on spelling,” he said.
Professor Wells said that the apostrophe was an equal waste of time. “Instead of an apostrophe we could just leave it out (it’s could become its) or leave a space (so we’ll would become we ll). Have we really nothing better to do with our lives than fret about the apostrophe?

Let’s allow people greater freedom to spell logically,” he said. “It’s time to remove the fetish that says that correct spelling is a principal (principle?) mark of being educated.” Professor Wells pointed towards the emerging technologies that are leading to a reevaluation of spelling, saying: “Text messaging, e-mail and internet chat rooms are showing us the way forward for English.”

Elaine Higgleton, editorial director for Collins Language, said that the problem with a phonetic approach to spelling would lie in deciding whose pronunciation to base it on.

Would we continue spelling the word think with a ‘th’ because that is how some of us pronounce it, or would it be spelled ‘fink’ as it is in the East End of London or ‘tink’ as in Ireland?” she said.
David Crystal, honorary professor of linguistics and author of the book Txting: the Gr8 Db8, believes that Professor Wells’s crusade for simplified spelling is doomed because, no matter how sensible it may be, sooner or later people rise up against such reforms. But he agrees that a shift to a more phonetic form of spelling will eventually come about.
“Change has to be [from the] bottom up. It is already happening on the internet – people are simplifying spelling all the time.

“Type the world rhubarb into Google without the ‘h’ and you will find thousands of references to it,” he said.

Grammar’s grave

Short vowel sounds
Drop the final e from words if the preceding vowel sound is short: Give becomes giv but love remains love

Double consonants
Allow double consonants when the preceding vowel sound is short: River becomes rivver; model becomes moddel

Danger, Anger, Hanger
Replace the soft g with a j: Danger becomes danjer
Use a double g after the n if the sound is hard: Anger becomes angger
Use a single g if the sound is elided: Hanger remains hanger

Embrace Americanisms
Many people already use an s in “practice”, as in the US. Also, the American version of organize with a z is accepted. Why not thru?

Abolish the apostrophe
Get rid of the two types of its (it’s and its) as it is hardly likely to confuse your meaning. If removing the apostrophe is a problem, then leave a space: We’ll becomes we ll

Their, there and they’re
They all sound the same and the meaning is unlikely to be lost if we just use “there” in each case

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Would this be dumbing down? I'm not sure. English was a phonetic language original until spelling became standardized. It sounds like a return to our roots to me. Back to the confusion that was old and middle English; that would see us returning to irregular spelling due to different accents. I like it. As far as I can tell MS Office is doing more (harm?) to standardize English than anything else. Is the future of English American? :-?
 

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i does it all de time, bye, feels good. i is ignerant as de day be long, eh.

how much mor dummin downe do we needs

i think the ak a dem i c s are mostly fullashyte, but that's just MO, means frig all.

youse kan tell a lots abouts somebody what cant spell. mainly that theys cant spell.

gettin two olde ta give a ****

so i dont
 

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What a crock of bull****.

If you buy into that theory, every one of us has been held back in our education because we had to learn to communicate.

It's laziness.

It's also yet another example of the theory that 'the way I was taught was wrong, oh, woe is me'. Bull**** to the extreme.
 

darkbeaver

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Well whatever the case the language will change uninterrupted by geezers who cling to the remote past because they are unable to keep up with the brilliant youthful reconstruction of the angleterre langwhich, wuzuppwiffit, gutta roll with the times or fall behind.:smile:
 

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What a crock of bull****.

If you buy into that theory, every one of us has been held back in our education because we had to learn to communicate.

It's laziness.

It's also yet another example of the theory that 'the way I was taught was wrong, oh, woe is me'. Bull**** to the extreme.

I felt that something was wrong with this fellow's reasoning, but couldn't pinpoint it. I think you got it smack on the head of the nail here. well done.
 

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Let pupils abandon spelling rules, says academic


Children are being held back at school because they are forced to memorise irregular spellings and learn how to use the apostrophe, a leading academic will claim this week.
John Wells, Emeritus Professor of Phonetics at University College London and president of the Spelling Society, will use the society’s centenary dinner this week to call for a “freeing up” of English spelling.
“The teaching of literacy in schools is a major worry. It seems highly likely that one of the reasons Britain and other English-speaking countries have problems with literacy is because of our spelling and the burden it places on children.

In Finnish, once you have learned the letters, you know how to spell, so it would be ludicrous to hold spelling tests. In countries like Italy and Spain it’s similar. But with English it’s not phonetic, and there are just so many irregularities,” he told The Times.

It seems to be a great pity that English-speaking countries are holding back children in this way. There are lots of other things that are neglected in class because so much time is spent on spelling,” he said.
Professor Wells said that the apostrophe was an equal waste of time. “Instead of an apostrophe we could just leave it out (it’s could become its) or leave a space (so we’ll would become we ll). Have we really nothing better to do with our lives than fret about the apostrophe?

Ok, you know what? I got an apostrophe in my last name. This idiot is going to tell me that idiot kids who are too lazy find it too damn tough to learn this crap, so I will then have to change my last name to suit his and their lazy slack ass ways?

Me thinks not.

I had a hard time when I was starting in school with this stuff.... I was thrown in some extra classes to catch up.... but I did it..... and these dumb asses can do just the same thing, suck it up, and deal with it.

You know.... maybe it has nothing to do with kids finding it hard to learn..... maybe it has to do with dumb teachers not willing to put effort in teaching the class.

Let’s allow people greater freedom to spell logically,” he said. “It’s time to remove the fetish that says that correct spelling is a principal (principle?) mark of being educated.” Professor Wells pointed towards the emerging technologies that are leading to a reevaluation of spelling, saying: “Text messaging, e-mail and internet chat rooms are showing us the way forward for English.”

1st off.... it's principle you idiot.... how the hell did this idiot get his job? Sure I screw up my grammar and spelling from time to time, but it's not my damn job.

2nd.... Text messaging and internet chat rooms are the way forward for English?

Ok Th3n, m483 w3 2h0u7d 477 2p34k H4xx0rz F0r N0w 0n?

Opps.... did I fail because I used a ","?

Someone brain this idiot.

Elaine Higgleton, editorial director for Collins Language, said that the problem with a phonetic approach to spelling would lie in deciding whose pronunciation to base it on.

Would we continue spelling the word think with a ‘th’ because that is how some of us pronounce it, or would it be spelled ‘fink’ as it is in the East End of London or ‘tink’ as in Ireland?” she said.

Those are accents you twit, not spelling.

David Crystal, honorary professor of linguistics and author of the book Txting: the Gr8 Db8, believes that Professor Wells’s crusade for simplified spelling is doomed because, no matter how sensible it may be, sooner or later people rise up against such reforms. But he agrees that a shift to a more phonetic form of spelling will eventually come about.
“Change has to be [from the] bottom up. It is already happening on the internet – people are simplifying spelling all the time.

Yeah, until we all go back to grunts and beating each over the head with sticks.

It is doomed, because there are too many people around the world who speak english, who've all been trained through their entire lives to speak and spell the way we do..... I sure as fok ain't going back to school to re-lear H4xx0rz Talk..... they can kiss my arse on that one.

Sure, even in my own typing there are levels of shrotening out what I am saying, but are done so for certain reasons, such as swear words being cut off, or to make a point.... but I'm not about to start banging my head on the keyboard and expecting you all to understand wtf I'm talking about.

“Type the world rhubarb into Google without the ‘h’ and you will find thousands of references to it,” he said.

Exactly.... you're going to have to revamp the entire internet and cultures around the world, just to suit some slack asses.

Grammar’s grave

Short vowel sounds
Drop the final e from words if the preceding vowel sound is short: Give becomes giv but love remains love

What?! Why? How? Better yet.... Wtf are they smoking? Opium laced with Crack and Monkey Terds?

If you remove the E in Give, then you remove it from Love..... or else you're just going to screw everybody up even more. Giv still sounds the same as Lov and the point is still made..... but see, there's still no use in removing it anyways..... keep the damn spelling the way it's supposed to.... cripes.

Double consonants
Allow double consonants when the preceding vowel sound is short: River becomes rivver; model becomes moddel

:banghead: Moron!

I spell River and Model the exact same way as I say it...... Ri'ver.... Mo'del..... Not Mod'Del and Riv'Ver..... then again, that apostrophe confuses them I guess. :roll:

Danger, Anger, Hanger
Replace the soft g with a j: Danger becomes danjer
Use a double g after the n if the sound is hard: Anger becomes angger
Use a single g if the sound is elided: Hanger remains hanger

Holy fok man, this is getting more complicated then the way we already do things.... cripes.

Embrace Americanisms
Many people already use an s in “practice”, as in the US. Also, the American version of organize with a z is accepted. Why not thru?

Thru was created for Drive-Thrus due to reduced spacing and saving on costs.... that doesn't mean it's good for normal use in everyday life.... What about Threw?

Abolish the apostrophe
Get rid of the two types of its (it’s and its) as it is hardly likely to confuse your meaning. If removing the apostrophe is a problem, then leave a space: We’ll becomes we ll

Yeah you're forgetting about names you twit, and I sure as hell am not changing my family's name just to suit someone's slack ass ways.

Their, there and they’re
They all sound the same and the meaning is unlikely to be lost if we just use “there” in each case

They are not all the same.... ffs... someone fire this idiot. There and Their and They're are all pronounced differently if you know how to speak properly.

Would this be dumbing down? I'm not sure. English was a phonetic language original until spelling became standardized. It sounds like a return to our roots to me. Back to the confusion that was old and middle English; that would see us returning to irregular spelling due to different accents. I like it. As far as I can tell MS Office is doing more (harm?) to standardize English than anything else. Is the future of English American? :-?

No. I see some sense in it for personal usage in everyday conversation, but if I'm given a resume that someone wrote with words spelled incorrectly, then they're not getting the job, plain and simple.

Learn how to spell, it's not that hard.
 

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I can't believe the people that come up with these hairbrained ideas even have jobs...

Oh, and don't forget about the billions of books written throughout our history.... they'll all have to be re-written and republished, because the next generation simply won't know how to read them. :roll:
 

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Oh, and don't forget about the billions of books written throughout our history.... they'll all have to be re-written and republished, because the next generation simply won't know how to read them. :roll:
I sometimes feel that way with this site, and the daily newspaper.....
 

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Oh, and don't forget about the billions of books written throughout our history.... they'll all have to be re-written and republished, because the next generation simply won't know how to read them. :roll:

You should try some of them old books Praxius, this generation and the last and the one before that couldn't read them. Language changes especially with growth and commerce and all that stuff, there's nothing can be done to stop it even with harsh schoolin.:smile:
 

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Have to agree with everyone else that this is plain garbage. Language evolves. For someone to haltingly suggest we might need to re-organize a language spoken by over 300,000,000 native tongues, and used by over 800,000,000 people in total, is ridiculous.

Maybe we should all learn Esperanto and use that instead....:roll:
 

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You should try some of them old books Praxius, this generation and the last and the one before that couldn't read them. Language changes especially with growth and commerce and all that stuff, there's nothing can be done to stop it even with harsh schoolin.:smile:

Ineed... I can read Shakespeare.... I just usually don't understand wtf they're talking about.

"Do you bite your thumb at us sir?!"

"No, that's my finger Arse wad.... it means fok off N00b!! Bask in my l33t H4xx0rz 2k177z!!" :twisted:
 

Praxius

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Have to agree with everyone else that this is plain garbage. Language evolves. For someone to haltingly suggest we might need to re-organize a language spoken by over 300,000,000 native tongues, and used by over 800,000,000 people in total, is ridiculous.

Maybe we should all learn Esperanto and use that instead....:roll:

I was thinking Binary myself.

0001101011101 010001101010 0101111100101 101010101

HA HA HA HA HA HA..... oh man *wipes tear from eye*
 

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Abolish the apostrophe
Get rid of the two types of its (it’s and its) as it is hardly likely to confuse your meaning. If removing the apostrophe is a problem, then leave a space: We’ll becomes we ll.....
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Abolish the apostrophe?.............hmmmm.......... this is starting to sound more and more like something Dark Beaver's cooked up - he's been on a rampage against the apostrophe since he first Darkened the doorways of CC.

:lol:

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darkbeaver

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Abolish the apostrophe?.............hmmmm.......... this is starting to sound more and more like something Dark Beaver's cooked up - he's been on a rampage against the apostrophe since he first Darkened the doorways of CC.

:lol:

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I suppose you and the other leadhands have great fun with my disabilitys on slow nights. In all innocence I layed my difficultys out for the assemblys recommendations and got nothing but ridicule and derision. I cooked up nothing and deeply resent your inuendo. I'm going to report you like I should have done last week. Maybe there's really somebody in the office who cares about people.