F**k off with its Kosovo, Serbia etc., we are now talking about South Ossetia.
Unrecognized republic of South Ossetia. On paper it is part of Georgia, but actually is not subject to the Government of Georgia. South Ossetia wants to secede, but the Georgian Government will not allow this.(Again, if this is news to you.)
Well, so who would tell me why now is fighting Abkhazia with Georgia? m? Where your own knowledge, rather than stupid copy-past? Mr. same?
All greetings, I am from Russia and specially registered here to tell you the whole truth. And that now is actually happening in South Ossetia.
Saakashvili is a second Hitler. He arranges the genocide in South Ossetia. Yes, you do not see what is happening there. Georgian troops attacked late at night to peaceful cities. Under the shelling hit ordinary residents of South Ossetia. Then the shelling ended, and began again at 2 pm on August 8. Died a lot of civilians at the hands of Georgia troops.
Saakashvili bastard, Georgia troops kill children, old people, women in their own homes, they were not able to leave the conflict zone and shot in their own apartments !!!!!!!!! Yes, you do not know what is happening here!! Georgia attacked the South Ossetia interrupting peace treaty!
On the territory of South Ossetia are Russian people, several dozens have died under fire from Georgian troops!!
In response to this, Russia agreed to protect the residents of South Ossetia troops entering 58 - oy Russian army in South Ossetia, because civilians are dying there! They hid in cellars, the whole city destroyed!!
Heavy armour Georgia shelled Tskhinvali whole day (8 August), loss of life among civilians!! Destroyed homes, hospitals, schools, many wounded and dead!
F * CK and you think that Russia is the aggressor here.! Do not sneeze idiots, we are now viewed news and we showed Saakashvili as blatantly lying euros Union, the fact that Russia was attacked in goods, is delirium!!
ALL THAT IS COMPLETE LIE SAAKASHVILI !!!!!
This is genocide on the part of Georgia!
Do not believe the fact that you say in the news! You do not see what is happening here killed civilians South Ossetia, South Ossetia in Georgia attacked, headed by President Saakashvili this sick!
Look that NEWS, This video from South Ossetia:
Georgia has aspirations of joining Nato, which would have made the Russsian incursion an Act of War on Nato.
Georgia is a central transit point and pipeline for the huge (20 billion barrels) Caspian Sea oil reserves and those of the southern Caucasus, on Russia's southern flank including Chechnya, which of course bring Islam into the equation. This could be very messy.
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Your take on thing sounds highly biased, towards Russian interests, Stradavar. There has been no reports of genocide in Georgia by Saakashvili from any sources I trust. And i don't trust anything associated with the Russian intelligence services, who owe complete loyalty to Putin and his political faction. Are you sure you can trust your own sources. There has been an on going and violent separatist insurgency in Georgia, a sovereign country has the right to maintain order in within its borders.. and there is no doubt that South Ossetia is not within Russia's borders.
What Putin? In Russia already another president, and , you also do not know what else can I say here? You do not know that Putin is not now Russian President!!! (OMG LOL)
You do not see that happening HERE, YOU - do not see!
Georgian troops shot civilians in their homes!
You like a Americans, who only eat fastfood and nothing know what was happening in the world.
I know Russian President Dmitry Medvedev is a hand picked successor of Putin, which is why i was careful to note it was Putin and his political faction who were calling the shots.
I saw Putin at the Olympics Opening Ceremonies, taking the salute from the Russian athletes..talking with George Bush on the issue.. he sure seems to be letting everyone on the world stage know he is still in charge as Prime Minister.
Forget about Putin's ok
okay, hang noodles on ears, all that.. but those are still Russian tanks on somebody else's soil.. uninivited and unprovoked.
I know that if Quebec was in the grips of a violent insurgency, with the intent of unilaterally taking the province out of Canada, you would see Canadian Forces in there to quell the rebellion.
I do not see any difference with the South Ossetians. Let them use political and diplomatic channels to press their case, if they have a valid one, rather than the business end of a Kalashnikov. And those are Russian tanks on South Ossetian soil.. it if walks like a duck.. and quacks like a duck.. then it's probably a duck.. AND this looks like a Russian invasion of a foreign country..
I'll tell you what all these Russian excuses for the incursion sound like. They sound like the Nazi's excuse of taking over the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia to protect German citizens, or Poland to protect its own citizens and territory. It was all trumped up.. and we all know how it ended.
Canada is part of Nato, as is America. Canada has a large force in Afghanistan.. if it comes to all out war on the West, we'll be part of it, we always have been.. in WW1 and WW2 well before America got involved.
Speak for yourself coldstream, I won't be helping anyone who helps the imperialist western pigs or thier toolish NATO bagmasters. I hope Russia crushes the Georgian yankee licking pricks. Canada has a large force of tools in Afghanistan they do nothing but destroy villages and conduct terrorist operations against the Afghans, they lick Uncle Sams **** covered boots while they commit warcrimes.
DB, I'd be really curious to know why you think Russia is better than the USA.
I literally cannot find 1 thing America has done wrong that Russia has not also done, including bombing Afghan women and children.
No one thinks Russia is communist, its textbook fascist.
And before you claim otherwise, ask why you put a nice law in preventing immigrants (ie non whites) from being able to work where they could be seen?
There are many questions to ask, you are seeing a fascist country from how it appears in the inside. But Russia is in South Ossetia, which is no different than if America went into Siberia just because Siberia decided it was independant of the Russia federation.
I can't say that I buy much of what has been printed in the western MSM. Anyone who has been watching this story/war/conflict develop knows that the Georgians killed Russian peacekeepers along with some 1400 civilians BEFORE Russia sent in it's troops. Now I see the headlines are stating that Russia had invaded and/or declared war on Georgia... gimme a break!
Russian peacekeepers are there under UN mandate and have every right to be there. Saakashvili is acting like a schoolyard bully who just got a punch on the nose.
The second Russia decided it was going to send in the troops as a response to the slaughter, he cries uncle and wants a ceasefire. I guess his memory is short because the three-hour truce he called for on Friday lasted but minutes before his troops re-engaged.
Comparing this to Quebec is a joke and completely not related since Quebec would have to have been an autonomous region within Canada since 1980 along with both it's referendums being overwhelmingly in support of succesion. (98% and 99% are the numbers I have seen as related to S. Ossetia).
The Georgians brought this upon themselves, or more specifically, Saakashvilli did and now he must reap what he has sown... to the detriment of his country and peoples unfortunately.
I don't know how this thread became such a cheering section for Russian aggression.
If the South Ossetians really want to rejoin their Northern brethren, and join the Russian Republic, then let's have a UN supervised referendum on the issue.
Let peacekeepers OTHER than Russians supervise it, have both sides agree to respect the results.
And nullify the Russian Passports that have been issued to the South Ossetians, and have them QUIT providing arms to separatist elements to destabilize the region.
In fact have the Russians withdraw totally, ALONG with the Georgian Army.
Allow repatriation of dislocated populations.
Get troops from Norway or Brazil, countries with no stake in the outcome, supervise the peace until the will of the South Ossetians is clearly represented by a referendum, without intimidation by either side. If they choose separation from Georgia and union with North Ossetia within Russia, so be it.
I know that won't happen. Why? Because Putin has NO respect for democratic processes, PERIOD..
and he has no intention of Losing.
He knows his military might will guarantee the outcome he wants.
He is an old KGB operative to the core.
And this will in no way be limited to Ossetia. It marks the blueprint for Russia's dealing with all the old republics of the Soviet Union.
International efforts continued on Monday to stop the fighting in South Ossetia, as Russia and Georgia accused each other of launching fresh military attacks.
At the same time, Russia and the United States intensified their war of words over the region, and reports surfaced of other fighting farther west in a second breakaway region, Abkhazia.
The violence began when Russia sent troops into South Ossetia last Friday after Georgia tried to regain control of the breakaway province. The Georgian offensive involved artillery, armour and aircraft.
Russia says more than 2,000 people have been killed since then, most of them Ossetians with Russian passports. The figures could not be independently confirmed. Georgian officials said 300 civilians have died.
Georgia's Interior Ministry said Russian planes bombed a military base and radar installation near the Georgian capital of Tbilisi, even though Georgian troops had retreated to new positions outside South Ossetia.
Russian tanks tried to advance in the direction of the town of Gori near South Ossetia, but were turned back by Georgian forces, Georgian ministry official Shota Utiashvili told the Associated Press. No casualties were reported, he said.
Fighting despite ceasefire
Russian officials accused Georgia of spreading disinformation and said fighting was continuing in South Ossetia, despite a ceasefire declaration from Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili.
Russia's Interfax news agency reported a Russian general as saying Georgian forces had directed heavy fire early Monday at positions around the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali.
"Active fighting has been going on in several zones," Interfax quoted Maj.-Gen. Marat Kulakhmetov as saying.
Russia also said it had sunk a Georgian boat that tried to attack Russian vessels in the Black Sea.
In another development, Georgian officials said they received a Russian ultimatum to disarm troops near a second breakaway province, Abkhazia, or face Russian forces moving into Georgian-controlled territory. The Russian move would mark a major escalation of the conflict.
Abkhazia lies further west on the Black Sea. Like South Ossetia, it is a breakaway region of Georgia that has run its own affairs since defeating Georgian troops in the early 1990s.
G8 seeks negotiated solution
As the conflict continued, seven members of the G8 group of nations — Canada, the United States, Britain, France, Germany, Italy, and Japan — called on Russia to accept an immediate ceasefire.
Foreign ministers from the seven countries held a telephone meeting and pledged their support for a negotiated solution to the conflict, a U.S. State Department official told the Associated Press.
The foreign ministers called on Russia to respect Georgia's borders, and they expressed deep concern for civilian casualties that have occurred, the official said.
The European Union also issued a statement urging an end to the violence. EU envoys were planning to travel to Moscow from Georgia's capital of Tbilisi later on Monday to try to promote a ceasefire proposal.
The United Nations said it is continuing to distribute emergency food aid to help thousands in Georgia, mostly near Tbilisi, who have been displaced by the fighting.
The number of people in need of assistance "is rising by the hour," Lola Castro, a World Food Program director, told AP.
Putin slams U.S. move
Also on Monday, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin criticized Washington for flying home an estimated 2,000 Georgian troops who had been deployed to Iraq.
"It's a pity that some of our partners instead of helping are, in fact, trying to get in the way," Putin said at a cabinet meeting.
"I mean — among other things — the United States airlifting Georgia's military contingent from Iraq effectively into the conflict zone," he said.
For his part, U.S. President George W. Bush told NBC News on Sunday that he had discussed the conflict in a face-to-face meeting with Putin during the opening ceremony for the Beijing Olympics.
"I was very firm with Vladimir Putin," Bush said. "Hopefully this will get resolved peacefully."
Canada's Foreign Affairs Minister David Emerson issued a statement on Sunday calling for an immediate ceasefire and accusing Russia of abandoning its role as peacekeeper in the region.
Emerson said Canada "calls on Russia to respect Georgia's borders and to desist from any further encroachment on Georgia's territorial integrity."
Russia wouldn't be in a position to "Guarantee the outcome he wants" if Georgia didn't start this situation in the first place.
And George Bush's family has ties to Nazi Germany..... what's your point?
Yeah yeah, I'm sure. Keep up with the unfounded propaganda.