Quote: Originally Posted by Unforgiven
Not even in the same ballpark. Drunks aren't even relevant to the discussion. As for coffee drinkers, you must be joking. Coffee smells great!
As you state at the bottom of this post of yours "Perspective is everything"
and since perspective is subjective, no one perspective should rule.
Coffee breath is horrible, as well as the smell of cold coffee sitting around.... absolutely putrid. Sure fresh, hot coffee smells good, but so does the first light of a cigg.
And Some stinky drunk isn't in the same ballpark? Try sitting on an hour long bus next to a drunk in the middle of the day and tell me otherwise.
Weak argument I must say. No one who has a drink now an again has a destroyed liver and/or brain over it.
And someone who has the occasional smoke, say one or two a day, doesn't destroy their lungs or heart to the level of a chain smoker..... is no different from someone who has a glass of wine a day compared to an alcoholic.
People who don't even smoke but are simply in the same room as a smoker can die of lung Cancer from it.
But in the same room as them can die from lung cancer? Are you basing this on one sitting beside the person or on a span of a number of years? By the way you worded yourself, you make it sound like if someone smokes right besides you once in a room, you're bound to catch cancer and die right then and there. If you're that worried, you best not head outside near any highways or eat out on any MacDonald's patios by the street, because you're inhaling a crap load worse stuff from passing cars and trucks, then that guy who just walked by with his cigg.
Well if I hitch a ride with someone who continually drinks, eventually I might die in a car crash..... not the same thing? I disagree.
Let me save you some time.... You would probably say that nobody would hitch a ride with a drunk and risk their lives multiple times.... and I will respond that if you don't want to catch cancer from some smoker in their home day in and day out, then don't go and visit them.... it's their home and you have no right to dictate to them what to do in their own home, just as they have no right to tell you what to do in your's.
I don't think you're really serious about the comparisons. If you were, then you would first show the correlation between smoking killing people and soft cute cuddly plush toys killing children ( our most valuable asset) when huge crates full of them come crashing into their homes as they fall out of poorly maintained planes passing over head.
Yeah, that makes a pile of sense..... what are you going on about?
If it lowers the value of a car then why are the two different?
What makes them different are the laws of a dwelling compared to something that's just for transportation.
Case in point: You rent an apartment, when you are done and return the apt back to rental, the company in charge has to repaint walls, shampoo carpet and fix any and all the damages in the apt prior to the next people moving in. With a car you might be leasing as an example, unless they are obligated to strip the inside out of the car and replace all the damages in and out of the car to make it brand new, the two are not the same.... considdering that they take the car back and then resell it after they at least make sure it is inspected and road worthy..... making the car smell like flowers isn't part of the deal and regardless if you smoked in it or not, the overall value will be less then when you first leased it..... compared to the apartment which either remains the same cost, or increases.
There are many differences.
Just slapping paint over the walls of a smoke encrusted apartment doesn't remove the smell.
Um, that's why you wash the damn walls down beforehand..... just like you don't just re-cock the bathroom tiles over top of mould..... it's called "cleaning."
At the very least all surfaces would have to be sealed, floor and ceiling included. It's pretty unreasonable to expect a landlord to completely renovate an apartment every time someone moves out.
First off.... tobacco isn't a radioactive material that soaks deep into the walls and out to the other side to kill everybody around it..... it builds up just like dust and other grime that occurs over time, like the poop stains in your toilet, and if you know how to properly clean up after yourself, then there isn't an issue. And besides, once again.... the landlord must ensure that the place is clean for the next tenants, which includes shampooing the carpet and re-painted the walls and ceiling, as well as fixing holes, and other issues..... if you think that's unreasonable, I suggest you get refreshed with the Tenancy Act
because they are responsible for that part of the agreement...... if they don't want to take on that task, then they shouldn't be in the business to begin with.
Sure, but that isn't much of an excuse for your vice infringing on someone else.
It's not.... my girlfriend and I smoke.... my friends smoke, and when people come over who don't smoke and/or have an issue with smoking (Children in the apartment, etc.) then we smoke out on the patio.
When I step out into the hallway, it doesn't smell like smoke from any other apartment, including my own. Other people's health is not an issue, plain and simple, because there's no case for argument. When I smoke, then head outside, then come back in about 5 minutes, it no longer smells like smoke.... saying it does is just dumb. If that was the case, then my apartment would smell like a weed den more then it'd smell like a tobacco plant.... but it smells like neither, so the argument is irrelevent.
And besides that, even if there was a smell, and was from the walls, it's on the walls and not airborne to inhale like second hand smoke.... unless you plan on licking my walls, you have nothing to worry about..... and even if you did lick my walls, there's a lot worse on them you have to worry about besides nicotine.
And if it's just the complaint about stink..... get over it... it's my home, not your's.... I don't tell you what to do in your home, so don't start shoving your finger in my business. Don't want to come over to my place because you fear it might stink like smoke? No loss for me.
If your apartment is air tight, I can agree but it's not. And so, you have an obligation to make the effort to live up to the terms of the lease. I would say also that should someone make a complaint about it, then the landlord would be within their rights to evict you.
Wrong.... in my contract it does not state this is a smoke free building, and even if they applied that rule tomorrow, as they show above in the report, my contract is still standing and I did not agree to those terms, and therefore they can't do jack sh*t about it.
And you just ruined your whole argument: It's true, the apartment isn't completely air tight.... we have the patio and windows open just about all the time, including in the winter time. If the apartment was air tight, then the nicotine and such would build up pretty badly now wouldn't it? But since we have the windows and patio open, the majority of our smoke is sent outside anyways..... and if we have our main door to the hallway closed, which we do, then the smoke is going to travel outside through the patio and windows before it'll pass through into the hallway.
I suppose they might have a case if your smoking is that bad that it brings down property values in your neighborhood.
Well they're already trying to ban smoking everywhere in Bridgewater, NS. outside and inside - If they can think up this retarded plan and get away with it, my goofy concept probably isn't too far away. We already have idiots telling other people they can't make treehouses for their children because it blocks their precious view of some more trees and takes down their property value apparently.... what's stopping morons from doing this because people have a view of somone smoking out on their steps because they're not allowed to smoke in their homes because of children being inside the home?
It's mostly common sense for all smokers to not smoke inside with children around, and it's not too far down the road before they make that a law too..... they already got away with cars.
Last edited by Praxius; Aug 5th, 2008 at 02:43 PM..