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May 8th, 2008, 08:32 AM
Something just popped into my head that got me thinking:
B.C. boy needed 100 stitches after pit bull attack
Was it exactly 100 stiches or was it just rounded up or down for the media?
I always wondered if they round them up when explaining it or do they actually make sure it's an even number for inventory reasons
Something just popped into my head that got me thinking:
B.C. boy needed 100 stitches after pit bull attack
Was it exactly 100 stiches or was it just rounded up or down for the media?
I always wondered if they round them up when explaining it or do they actually make sure it's an even number for inventory reasons
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May 8th, 2008, 09:35 AM
Quoting Praxius
I haven't a clue, though I know that when stitching a face they will sometimes use a specific suture and close stitching to reduce scarring later on. This could be the reason for the high stitch count. Along with of course the possibility that it took that many stitches to close the wounds. Reporters have made mistakes due to carelessness and milking a story before so mileage may vary.
Something just popped into my head that got me thinking:
B.C. boy needed 100 stitches after pit bull attack
Was it exactly 100 stiches or was it just rounded up or down for the media?
I always wondered if they round them up when explaining it or do they actually make sure it's an even number for inventory reasons
B.C. boy needed 100 stitches after pit bull attack
Was it exactly 100 stiches or was it just rounded up or down for the media?
I always wondered if they round them up when explaining it or do they actually make sure it's an even number for inventory reasons
May 8th, 2008, 09:50 AM
Quoting Unforgiven
He needed three hours of surgery according to the one article I read, so, I'm guessing 100 stitches is a low count.
I haven't a clue, though I know that when stitching a face they will sometimes use a specific suture and close stitching to reduce scarring later on. This could be the reason for the high stitch count. Along with of course the possibility that it took that many stitches to close the wounds. Reporters have made mistakes due to carelessness and milking a story before so mileage may vary.
Knows No Bounds
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Location: California
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May 8th, 2008, 04:31 PM
Quoting karrie
I grew up with a pitbull for a pet and she was a fabulous dog. The funny thing is, we got robbed when she was home. Since none of us were home, she felt no need to be protective and let the robber get away with most of our entertainment system. You know a dog loves people when she'll even let them steal her owner's stuff.
My dog would probably attack someone breaking into the house if the kids or I were home. I'd fight tooth and nail before I let anyone put my dog down for something that comes naturally to her, defending her family. If those dogs attacked that guy for breaking in then, imo, he had it coming.
Knows No Bounds
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Location: California
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May 8th, 2008, 04:42 PM
Quoting Hazmart
My dog is 14lbs or so and is by far the most prone to biting of any dog I've ever known. He is NEVER off leash out of the house and NEVER allowed to play with children. I won't let a child touch him. It's not worth the risk. He hasn't bitten anyone in years now, but I still muzzle him at the vet's office.
Karrie I agree with you, I work in the veterinary field and have been bitten many many times. The breeds that more often show the signs of aggressiveness are the small breeds. The ones that people just think that it is soo cute that only one person can actually touch it! Most of my bites have come from shih tzus, min pins and cats (Karrie I can sympathize with the medical treatment from the cat bite).
The thing about large dogs is that the majority are very good dogs, we see very few large aggressive dogs because that sort of behavior is stopped at the first sign, it is simply not allowed because they can cause so much more damage. There are a lot of responsible owners out there.
I actually really like pitbulls, rotties, mastiffs (my fav!) and dobbies!
In this situation though, the dogs should not have been running free in a playground, thats what off leash areas are for. But also the dog started out by licking the boy (not to say that this is at all his fault) but perhaps the boy freaked out and paniced causing a panic response from the dog.
I think a lot of people need to learn not to be afraid and to stay calm.
At the clinic we often see clients come in with their little dogs running at the end of their extendable leashes barking and snapping at calm relaxed big dogs and the small dog client says how unsafe big dogs are! Yeshh!
The thing about large dogs is that the majority are very good dogs, we see very few large aggressive dogs because that sort of behavior is stopped at the first sign, it is simply not allowed because they can cause so much more damage. There are a lot of responsible owners out there.
I actually really like pitbulls, rotties, mastiffs (my fav!) and dobbies!
In this situation though, the dogs should not have been running free in a playground, thats what off leash areas are for. But also the dog started out by licking the boy (not to say that this is at all his fault) but perhaps the boy freaked out and paniced causing a panic response from the dog.
I think a lot of people need to learn not to be afraid and to stay calm.
At the clinic we often see clients come in with their little dogs running at the end of their extendable leashes barking and snapping at calm relaxed big dogs and the small dog client says how unsafe big dogs are! Yeshh!
Knows No Bounds
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Location: California
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May 8th, 2008, 04:43 PM
Quoting Sal
Actually there was a well publicized case in LA of a Pomeranian killing a newborn.
Also a small dog may bite but it is not going to rip your newborn apart.... larger dogs left alone with babies have done that.
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May 8th, 2008, 06:30 PM
I thought I would never own a pit or rotty even though I love dogs, however, I ended up adopting a dog that was part rotty, she was about 18 months old at the time. I took her to the vet right away and the vet confirmed my suspicions that the dog was mistreated. She was malnourished, had terrible urine scalding on her feet, was scared of women and covered in fleas.
I've had Cooper now for 4 years and she is the sweetest most gentle dog I know. Even my sister who is extremeley protective of her 2 little girls trusts Cooper. My neices sometimes step on her tail and she doesn't even flinch. She loves to play with other dogs and will lay down if the dog she's playing with is small, just to make sure nobody gets hurt.
On the other hand my neighbor had a really mean pitbull, it attacked a woman and put her in the hospital..... just like he trained it to do.
I thought I would never own a pit or rotty even though I love dogs, however, I ended up adopting a dog that was part rotty, she was about 18 months old at the time. I took her to the vet right away and the vet confirmed my suspicions that the dog was mistreated. She was malnourished, had terrible urine scalding on her feet, was scared of women and covered in fleas.
I've had Cooper now for 4 years and she is the sweetest most gentle dog I know. Even my sister who is extremeley protective of her 2 little girls trusts Cooper. My neices sometimes step on her tail and she doesn't even flinch. She loves to play with other dogs and will lay down if the dog she's playing with is small, just to make sure nobody gets hurt.
On the other hand my neighbor had a really mean pitbull, it attacked a woman and put her in the hospital..... just like he trained it to do.
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May 9th, 2008, 12:29 AM
[quote=Unforgiven;950399][quote=talloola;950378][quote=Unforgiven;950305]
There is a fine line between aggression and gameness. A game dog is on perhaps like your own that is ready and willing to hit the water and retrieve a bird or lure. It's what separates a good working dog or sporting dog from a lumpy couch potato like I have.
But more importantly, it's what ignorant breeders miss in their attempt to do whatever it is that they are trying to do in their backyards.
The word 'breeder' is often used very loosely, as there are so many back yard breeders/
puppy mills, who's owner/operators don't abide to any of the ckc rules. I am a registered
canadian breeder, registered with the canadian kennel club, and every puppy that I ever bred is registered in their system, and every puppy I sold was sold with a 'no breed' contract, with the exception of animals sold 'for breeding' purpose, which are few and
far between.
Back when blood sport was a mainstay in the lives of our ancestors, dogs were bred to fight. You didn't see wildly aggressive dogs that would attack anything that moved. On the contrary a good pit fighting dog was calm, never out of control and since the owner of the dog's opponent would wash it, never aggressive towards people. As a matter of fact, if your dog bit someone, it would be removed unless it was shown that there was a good reason for it.
I totally undestand that concept.
I can think of a couple of dozen dog breeds off the top of my head that are every bit as dangerous as a poorly bred and mistreated Pit Bull. Yet you will never hear much about them as the popularity of those breeds are nothing in comparison here in North America.
You're are right, and many of the pitt bulls acquired here, is for the purpose of making
a statement to others and the law, as they seem to want to send the message that they
have a dog who 'could hurt others', which helps spread the 'negative' attitude toward
the pitt bull.
The popularity of the pitt bull now, certainly isn't because it is beautiful, or because
it is the best dog for children, so then why, it seems to me what I said above is the
obvious reason, and also, to make the 'opposite' statement, a contradition, " I'm going
to get a pitt bull to show everyone how gentle they are", that's just as stupid as the others. They are 'what you raise them to be.
A puppy is totally dependent on 'our' signals as their 'master' and 'parent', so when the
wrong signals are constantly sent to the young growing dog, which don't instill good
feelings for the dog, when he/she is around humans, that poor dog will grow up to fear
and mistrust humans, hence, a dog you can't trust around people.
Puppys/dogs NEVER should be 'hit' for any reason whatsoever, by their owners.
[quote=Unforgiven;950399][quote=talloola;950378][quote=Unforgiven;950305]
There is a fine line between aggression and gameness. A game dog is on perhaps like your own that is ready and willing to hit the water and retrieve a bird or lure. It's what separates a good working dog or sporting dog from a lumpy couch potato like I have.
But more importantly, it's what ignorant breeders miss in their attempt to do whatever it is that they are trying to do in their backyards.
The word 'breeder' is often used very loosely, as there are so many back yard breeders/
puppy mills, who's owner/operators don't abide to any of the ckc rules. I am a registered
canadian breeder, registered with the canadian kennel club, and every puppy that I ever bred is registered in their system, and every puppy I sold was sold with a 'no breed' contract, with the exception of animals sold 'for breeding' purpose, which are few and
far between.
Back when blood sport was a mainstay in the lives of our ancestors, dogs were bred to fight. You didn't see wildly aggressive dogs that would attack anything that moved. On the contrary a good pit fighting dog was calm, never out of control and since the owner of the dog's opponent would wash it, never aggressive towards people. As a matter of fact, if your dog bit someone, it would be removed unless it was shown that there was a good reason for it.
I totally undestand that concept.
I can think of a couple of dozen dog breeds off the top of my head that are every bit as dangerous as a poorly bred and mistreated Pit Bull. Yet you will never hear much about them as the popularity of those breeds are nothing in comparison here in North America.
You're are right, and many of the pitt bulls acquired here, is for the purpose of making
a statement to others and the law, as they seem to want to send the message that they
have a dog who 'could hurt others', which helps spread the 'negative' attitude toward
the pitt bull.
The popularity of the pitt bull now, certainly isn't because it is beautiful, or because
it is the best dog for children, so then why, it seems to me what I said above is the
obvious reason, and also, to make the 'opposite' statement, a contradition, " I'm going
to get a pitt bull to show everyone how gentle they are", that's just as stupid as the others. They are 'what you raise them to be.
A puppy is totally dependent on 'our' signals as their 'master' and 'parent', so when the
wrong signals are constantly sent to the young growing dog, which don't instill good
feelings for the dog, when he/she is around humans, that poor dog will grow up to fear
and mistrust humans, hence, a dog you can't trust around people.
Puppys/dogs NEVER should be 'hit' for any reason whatsoever, by their owners.
May 9th, 2008, 04:18 PM
I agree, I think that owning a pitbull is a social statement. Unfortunately enough people buying and owning pitbulls are not resonsible or knowlegable enough to own even a small dog. They are totally unprepared for the work involved in having a big dog. The dog is always the one that suffers.
My bad neighbor whose pitbull it was that attacked the woman was charged by police. I don't know what the charges were but the police interveiwed all the neighbors including myself. I once saw the creep drunk with his friends, laying on top of the poor dog squeezing its testicles yelling "Only bite when I tell you". I called every authority I could think of at the time but all told me there was nothing they could do until it bit someone. Even then they were limited by a one bite grace rule. The dog however so badly mauled this woman that she nearly died, she spent weeks in hospital and has permanent disabilities.
The place beside me is a rental unit and is a sorespot in the community. The owner of the dog ran away but has since been found and incarcerated.
I agree, I think that owning a pitbull is a social statement. Unfortunately enough people buying and owning pitbulls are not resonsible or knowlegable enough to own even a small dog. They are totally unprepared for the work involved in having a big dog. The dog is always the one that suffers.
My bad neighbor whose pitbull it was that attacked the woman was charged by police. I don't know what the charges were but the police interveiwed all the neighbors including myself. I once saw the creep drunk with his friends, laying on top of the poor dog squeezing its testicles yelling "Only bite when I tell you". I called every authority I could think of at the time but all told me there was nothing they could do until it bit someone. Even then they were limited by a one bite grace rule. The dog however so badly mauled this woman that she nearly died, she spent weeks in hospital and has permanent disabilities.
The place beside me is a rental unit and is a sorespot in the community. The owner of the dog ran away but has since been found and incarcerated.
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May 9th, 2008, 06:01 PM
People should need a license to breed an animal. If I had my way, people would need to have a license proving they are a responsible person in order to have an animal.......
Hell left up to me, one would need a license to pro-create..... but, that's just me.
People should need a license to breed an animal. If I had my way, people would need to have a license proving they are a responsible person in order to have an animal.......
Hell left up to me, one would need a license to pro-create..... but, that's just me.
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May 13th, 2008, 03:17 PM
Quoting winniethepooh
Pit Bulls are a sweet and gentle creature when well bred and raised with a firm and loving owner, a fine companion for any girl or boy.
Pit bulls are nasty, they can whig out at any time, they should not be running loose at any time nor should they be even in a playground.
