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April 28th, 2008, 03:07 PM
Poor Colpy, you're trying to apply reason to the innane.
America's scruples will always be questioned, and they should be, both from within and from the outside.
When the United States distributed billions worth of polio vaccines to Africa, the fringe left started plastering all over the media of a secret CIA plot to wipe out "niggers" in Africa. The end result was less than 10% of Africans being treated for polio.
They preferred to let them die from disease for the political motivations.
Today, the United States has implemented a multiyear 10 billion dollar plan to combat AIDS.
But if you take any of the American haters seriously, we should just stop offering any kind of assistance. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Your preaching to the morally bankrupt.
Poor Colpy, you're trying to apply reason to the innane.
America's scruples will always be questioned, and they should be, both from within and from the outside.
When the United States distributed billions worth of polio vaccines to Africa, the fringe left started plastering all over the media of a secret CIA plot to wipe out "niggers" in Africa. The end result was less than 10% of Africans being treated for polio.
They preferred to let them die from disease for the political motivations.
Today, the United States has implemented a multiyear 10 billion dollar plan to combat AIDS.
But if you take any of the American haters seriously, we should just stop offering any kind of assistance. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
Your preaching to the morally bankrupt.
Super Genius
Posts: 1,416
April 28th, 2008, 03:38 PM
Food production takes time to ramp up, regadless of prices. After the equipment and seeds have been purchased you still have to wait for the plants to grow.
The current rising cost of food will be good in the longrun for third world producers, but its bad for the consumers in the short term.
I can't say if the US food aid program is a sham, but I do know their foreign aid program partly consists of helping pro-American dictators maintain their grip on power in places like Saudi Arabia and Egypt and help agressive nations like Israel bomb their neighbors.
Quoting Zzarchov
Making it cheaper for poor nations to buy subsidized food from the west put many of their farmers out of the food for local consumption business and into the cash crop for export business.
That is true, the western world has made it hard to farm in the third world.
You know how they did it? They overproduced cheap food that the third world couldn't compete with, there just wasn't the world demand.
So now that food prices are higher and there is a demand, guess what? The third world is free to rake in huge profits , cultivate their land and crawl out of poverty, because of biofuels.
Hurray for Biofuels. They provide an answer to the problem of western farm subsidies AND the fuel shortage in one go.
The great thing is, food is so easy to make. You buy seeds plant them, grow them, save some , plant again next year.
With low food prices it meant you had to use GM seeds to get a high enough yield to compete, now with higher food prices, good ole traditional agriculture that anyone can do, is viable again.
You know how they did it? They overproduced cheap food that the third world couldn't compete with, there just wasn't the world demand.
So now that food prices are higher and there is a demand, guess what? The third world is free to rake in huge profits , cultivate their land and crawl out of poverty, because of biofuels.
Hurray for Biofuels. They provide an answer to the problem of western farm subsidies AND the fuel shortage in one go.
The great thing is, food is so easy to make. You buy seeds plant them, grow them, save some , plant again next year.
With low food prices it meant you had to use GM seeds to get a high enough yield to compete, now with higher food prices, good ole traditional agriculture that anyone can do, is viable again.
Food production takes time to ramp up, regadless of prices. After the equipment and seeds have been purchased you still have to wait for the plants to grow.
The current rising cost of food will be good in the longrun for third world producers, but its bad for the consumers in the short term.
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If a poor person earns a dollar a day but spends 50 cents a day on rice, then when the price of rice doubles, feeding yourself becomes problematic. That's why the world's poorest people are rioting.
The 2007 Human Development Report (HDR) from the United Nations Development Program notes that, “There are still around 1 billion people living at the margins of survival on less than US$1 a day, with 2.6 billion—40 percent of the world’s population—living on less than US$2 a day.” (See page 25. The report also notes that the alleviation is limited mostly to parts of Asia.)
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Facts.asp#src1
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Facts.asp#src1
I can't say if the US food aid program is a sham, but I do know their foreign aid program partly consists of helping pro-American dictators maintain their grip on power in places like Saudi Arabia and Egypt and help agressive nations like Israel bomb their neighbors.
Knows No Bounds
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Location: USA
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April 29th, 2008, 08:15 AM
I think the world does just fine creating their own messes w/o US help.
Quoting MikeyDB
Geez...what was your perception before?
Eaglesmack
I'm re-evaluating my perception of you.... Yeah I know who cares right!
It's terribly unpleasant to have to have to come to terms with the reality of the situation that your nation has contributed to over many many years isn't it!?
I'm re-evaluating my perception of you.... Yeah I know who cares right!
It's terribly unpleasant to have to have to come to terms with the reality of the situation that your nation has contributed to over many many years isn't it!?
I think the world does just fine creating their own messes w/o US help.
Knows No Bounds
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April 29th, 2008, 08:30 AM
"Look at what you have done."
Quoting I think not
We have to try somehow
Poor Colpy, you're trying to apply reason to the innane.
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That has always been the case. Political motivations have always outweighed good intentions. They would much rather see any sort of aid stop and more pain and suffering so they can wag their fingers and say...
They preferred to let them die from disease for the political motivations.
"Look at what you have done."
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Shhhhhhh. More good will by the US
Today, the United States has implemented a multiyear 10 billion dollar plan to combat AIDS.
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Well that has always been the case
But if you take any of the American haters seriously, we should just stop offering any kind of assistance. Damned if we do, damned if we don't.
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Even sinners need preaching to.
Your preaching to the morally bankrupt.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
April 29th, 2008, 08:30 AM
Well actually I figured you for a reasonable fairly intelligent person. The incapacity to acknowledge the great harm done to many people throughout the world at the machinations of American greed demonstrates instead that your blinded by patriotism and plant youself firmly in the camp of "American Manifest Destiny". It's unrealistic to believe that anything taken at the point of a gun by a nation so demonstrably bereft of integrity when it comes to questions of morality justice and trust, might be viewed as anything but the engine of terrorism and lawlessness. We are (participants here at CC) but one voice of the greater mosaic of our nations so it should be an opportunity for clarity and unbiased discussion in an objective sense regarding world politics and dynamics. Canadians admit to abuse of immigrants (Chinese, Germans, Italians) and the on-going debate over the injustices perpetrated on our native people's by Canadian government suggests that many more Canadians are "in-touch" with and willing to acknowledge that mistakes have been made and are being made... Not the pitch we get from Americans here at CC by any stretch of the imagination. As far as your presentations go, it's the same arrogance and isolationist jingoisms made famous by America's political structure from its earliest days. While patriotism is to be expected, as hard as it might be for you to believe, America doesn't exist in some isolated insulated and separate region of the universe. One might reasonably expect some willingness to acknowledge that you are the creators of your own problems to a significant degree but instead, the position taken by most Americans is that everything the American military and American government has done over the past hundred years represents the "right-thinking" of all Americans versus the imbecilic ravings of the rest of the people living on this planet. Out of touch is one facet, and deep denial is another.
Well actually I figured you for a reasonable fairly intelligent person. The incapacity to acknowledge the great harm done to many people throughout the world at the machinations of American greed demonstrates instead that your blinded by patriotism and plant youself firmly in the camp of "American Manifest Destiny". It's unrealistic to believe that anything taken at the point of a gun by a nation so demonstrably bereft of integrity when it comes to questions of morality justice and trust, might be viewed as anything but the engine of terrorism and lawlessness. We are (participants here at CC) but one voice of the greater mosaic of our nations so it should be an opportunity for clarity and unbiased discussion in an objective sense regarding world politics and dynamics. Canadians admit to abuse of immigrants (Chinese, Germans, Italians) and the on-going debate over the injustices perpetrated on our native people's by Canadian government suggests that many more Canadians are "in-touch" with and willing to acknowledge that mistakes have been made and are being made... Not the pitch we get from Americans here at CC by any stretch of the imagination. As far as your presentations go, it's the same arrogance and isolationist jingoisms made famous by America's political structure from its earliest days. While patriotism is to be expected, as hard as it might be for you to believe, America doesn't exist in some isolated insulated and separate region of the universe. One might reasonably expect some willingness to acknowledge that you are the creators of your own problems to a significant degree but instead, the position taken by most Americans is that everything the American military and American government has done over the past hundred years represents the "right-thinking" of all Americans versus the imbecilic ravings of the rest of the people living on this planet. Out of touch is one facet, and deep denial is another.
Knows No Bounds
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April 29th, 2008, 09:00 AM
Oh woe is me...I am no longer in your favor.
I know that we are not perfect and have said so on many occasions. What gets me is how your ilk speak in arrogant tones and get riled when you percieve Americans speaking arrogantly. It is hypocritical. Your always seeing the bad and never the good in America causes me to speak out.
Isolationist? Are you kidding. I wish we were. We should be. I hope we become a lot more in the future and let other countries straighten out their own mess.
Oh woe is me...I am no longer in your favor.
I know that we are not perfect and have said so on many occasions. What gets me is how your ilk speak in arrogant tones and get riled when you percieve Americans speaking arrogantly. It is hypocritical. Your always seeing the bad and never the good in America causes me to speak out.
Isolationist? Are you kidding. I wish we were. We should be. I hope we become a lot more in the future and let other countries straighten out their own mess.
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April 29th, 2008, 09:11 AM
Quoting EagleSmack
Always with the ILK Smack, oy vey. What exactly is an ilk?
Oh woe is me...I am no longer in your favor.
I know that we are not perfect and have said so on many occasions. What gets me is how your ilk speak in arrogant tones and get riled when you percieve Americans speaking arrogantly. It is hypocritical. Your always seeing the bad and never the good in America causes me to speak out.
Isolationist? Are you kidding. I wish we were. We should be. I hope we become a lot more in the future and let other countries straighten out their own mess.
I know that we are not perfect and have said so on many occasions. What gets me is how your ilk speak in arrogant tones and get riled when you percieve Americans speaking arrogantly. It is hypocritical. Your always seeing the bad and never the good in America causes me to speak out.
Isolationist? Are you kidding. I wish we were. We should be. I hope we become a lot more in the future and let other countries straighten out their own mess.
Steven Hawking's Tutor
Posts: 4,604
April 29th, 2008, 10:22 AM
"Ilk" is anyone who doesn't shut the "f" up about how corrupt and greedy the people of the United States of Rampant Greed are....
We live next door to a monster, make no mistake about it, and we pander to them, lay-down and roll over for them and hang off their coatails like mindless insects. And we have successive governments run by greedy corporate mandarins like Paul Martin and Brian Mulroney to blame for undercutting our sovereignty and sense of national pride. We've been sold down the river by the "ilk" that suckle at the breast of American commerce and that dependency has instead of increased the quality of life for all Canadians put us in the position of second class Americans. A nation that let's another put gunboats on the shared waterways and federal police agencies (CSIS and RCMP) that are complicit in America's pogrom of hatred and genocide against Iraqis...a war of lies and misdirection that has profitted the Stronachs and the Strongs and other Canadian industrialist families while Canadian citizens are taken off aircraft in the United States and sent to foreign nations to be imprisoned and tortured in the name of America.
Canadians are getting what they deserve for having abrogated their responsibility to their children and the future of this country.
"Ilk" is anyone who doesn't shut the "f" up about how corrupt and greedy the people of the United States of Rampant Greed are....
We live next door to a monster, make no mistake about it, and we pander to them, lay-down and roll over for them and hang off their coatails like mindless insects. And we have successive governments run by greedy corporate mandarins like Paul Martin and Brian Mulroney to blame for undercutting our sovereignty and sense of national pride. We've been sold down the river by the "ilk" that suckle at the breast of American commerce and that dependency has instead of increased the quality of life for all Canadians put us in the position of second class Americans. A nation that let's another put gunboats on the shared waterways and federal police agencies (CSIS and RCMP) that are complicit in America's pogrom of hatred and genocide against Iraqis...a war of lies and misdirection that has profitted the Stronachs and the Strongs and other Canadian industrialist families while Canadian citizens are taken off aircraft in the United States and sent to foreign nations to be imprisoned and tortured in the name of America.
Canadians are getting what they deserve for having abrogated their responsibility to their children and the future of this country.
Knows No Bounds
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Location: USA
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April 30th, 2008, 08:57 AM
ilk
–noun 1.family, class, or kind: he and all his ilk.
–adjective 2.same. —Idiom 3.of that ilk,
a.(in Scotland) of the same family name or place:
Ross of that ilk, i.e., Ross of Ross. b.of the same class or kind.
There...you've learned something.
Quoting darkbeaver
Always with the ILK Smack, oy vey. What exactly is an ilk?
ilk
–noun 1.family, class, or kind: he and all his ilk.
–adjective 2.same. —Idiom 3.of that ilk,
a.(in Scotland) of the same family name or place:
Ross of that ilk, i.e., Ross of Ross. b.of the same class or kind.
There...you've learned something.
Knows No Bounds
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April 30th, 2008, 09:07 AM
Quoting MikeyDB
No...please keep talking and posting.
"Ilk" is anyone who doesn't shut the "f" up about how corrupt and greedy the people of the United States of Rampant Greed are....
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Are we scary monsters? Those born from nightmares?
We live next door to a monster, make no mistake about it,
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Oh poor Canada. This ought to fire up the rebellion!
and we pander to them, lay-down and roll over for them and hang off their coatails like mindless insects.
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Ahhhh...the insecure. So desparate to be noticed.
And we have successive governments run by greedy corporate mandarins like Paul Martin and Brian Mulroney to blame for undercutting our sovereignty and sense of national pride. We've been sold down the river by the "ilk" that suckle at the breast of American commerce and that dependency has instead of increased the quality of life for all Canadians put us in the position of second class Americans.
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We still have gunboats? Gunboats in Canadian waters represents Canada's approval of the Iraq War?
A nation that let's another put gunboats on the shared waterways and federal police agencies (CSIS and RCMP) that are complicit in America's pogrom of hatred and genocide against Iraqis...a war of lies and misdirection that has profitted the Stronachs and the Strongs and other Canadian industrialist families while Canadian citizens are taken off aircraft in the United States and sent to foreign nations to be imprisoned and tortured in the name of America.
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Any solutions?
Canadians are getting what they deserve for having abrogated their responsibility to their children and the future of this country.
Ponderous Intellect
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Location: Minnesota: Gopher State
April 30th, 2008, 09:24 PM
Er, I don't think it was him who made the connection between wood sticks and fire. It was some right winger.
Quoting Zzarchov
Don't ask MikeyDB about solutions, he'll start proposing a "final" solution.
Er, I don't think it was him who made the connection between wood sticks and fire. It was some right winger.
