U.S. launches air strike in Somalia: report

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http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/03/03/somalia-airstrike.html

The United States launched an air strike in Somalia Monday targeting terror suspects, said reports.

A U.S. military official, who spoke to the Associated Press on condition of anonymity, said the strike was "a deliberate, precise strike against a known terrorist and his associates."

Somali police said three missiles hit a town held by extremists, injuring eight people and destroying a home, said reports.

Monday's strikes were the first American incursions in Somalia in more than a year.

The U.S. carried out two air strikes in Somalia in January 2007, sending heavily armed AC-130 gunships into the country.

Those strikes were believed to be the first American incursions into Somalia since U.S. forces were bloodied in what became known as the Black Hawk Down incident in 1993.

Photos of angry Somalis dragging the body of a soldier through the streets sparked international outrage and prompted the U.S. to bring its troops home.
 

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US strikes at terror target in Somalia


Tuesday, March 4, 2008 11:51 AM

MOGADISHU (AP) - The US Navy fired at least one missile into a southern Somali town before dawn Monday, targeting a terrorism suspect as an Islamic group with links to al-Qaeda appears to be gathering sway again in this lawless African nation.

Residents and police in Dobley said at least eight people, including four children, were seriously injured when a home was destroyed. The attack was confirmed by US officials, who said only that the target was a "known al-Qaeda terrorist."

The US military has staged several attacks on suspected extremists in Somalia over the past year amid fears the Horn of Africa country could become a haven for terrorists.

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It is dreadful how this war on terrorists is striking randomly wherever it "thinks" there could be something suspicious. Just to create fear and chaos! And the people are helpless, don't get compensated... just have to accept their pain and losses.

The US has issued itself a blank cheque with their "war on terror!", and can strike any time and anywhere!:angryfire: It's a war against Islam in my opinion by the looks of it.
 

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.....The US has issued itself a blank cheque with their "war on terror!", and can strike any time and anywhere!:angryfire: It's a war against Islam in my opinion by the looks of it.

True as I see it. There isn't much to really go by except what the attackers claim to be true, and I'm pretty sure those families or people targeted don't have as much media control, obviously, so we're probably never going to really know.

But once again, one thing that continually P's me off, is that this is another attack by the US on another country, within their borders. If the US wants to start blowing things up without question and have some validity to their attacks, then attack their own nation and people. Let the other nations deal with their own problems, and if they're not meeting what the US wants, too friggin bad..... they are not apart of the US, and shouldn't have to answer to them either.

If they attack the US or there is a probable chance of them attacking the US, then you have a gray area to play in.... but attacking them because they are dubbed an Islamic Extremist organization or related to the Taliban/Al Queda, etc.... who friggin cares? If the people want them to run their country, or to operate in their country, that's their choice, not the US's.... and the US has no right to dictate what occurs in another country, regardless of whatever paranoia propaganda can be stirred up from it.

Keep pushing and pushing, and eventually one or more are going to push back.
 

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Let's move the scenario to Canada. How would most Canadians feel having the US bomb a section of Toronto, for instance? Unthinkable!!

I hope they one day soon try their tactics on Moscow or Beijing!!! The fireworks such a move would create!! Then the war on the real terrorists could begin!
 

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“Big Duke” sauntered into the operations center chewing the end of a Cuban cigar to pulp and scanned the array of radar scopes that lined the wall. “I want an update on tactical efficiencies achieved in our most recent efforts to bring peace/freedom/democracy to these sub-human masses that harbour terrorists and deny the noble truth of boundless consumption and consumerism as the hallmark of a truly evolved people.”

“Reports are coming in sir..” responded a junior corporal.

“How would you like that report prioritized general?” he continued.

“Oh give me the low-down on them Eyeracky strikes first then move on down to Somalia and then give me an over-view of conditions in Israel.”

“Well sir, we don’t have exact figures from Israel sir, but it appears that the kill ratio is about forty to one….”

“Damn fine” snorted the general, “That’ll show them ragheads the futility of lobbing their home-made junk at our far better equipped allies..”

“You know I just don’t understand how they’ve got the gall to take on our cruise missiles and F-18s with their sorry ass equipment….”

Well technically sir, those F-18s and cruise missiles are Israeli ordinance and fighters sir….”

“****-can that commie pinko raving corporal… as our glorious leader President Bush has said… “America is Israel and Israel is America”…. “It don’t matter a damn who’s running the show so long as them carpet-riders get dead.”

“They’re too busy licking the boots of the Imam and the Mullah’s to figure out that America is fighting the war on terrorism in Israel …hell, just so long as the deestruktion and mayhem devastate the local scenery instead of given them time to launch actions against us at home…who cares how many die and what gits reported!”



 

Praxius

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Let's move the scenario to Canada. How would most Canadians feel having the US bomb a section of Toronto, for instance? Unthinkable!!

I hope they one day soon try their tactics on Moscow or Beijing!!! The fireworks such a move would create!! Then the war on the real terrorists could begin!

Oh I imagine we'd see a mobilization on our part if that occured. We'd see most of our funding of our everyday things be converted towards military production, close our borders, recruits increase 10 fold due to outrage and sympathy for those who died, and chances are, the US would soon have many incursions by either our forces or vigilanties across their borders to cause instability and insecurity in the US.

Once again, whether we would win or lose wouldn't matter, a combat situation in such a close proximity to their country would most certainly result in most forces and the navy to be diverted to homeland security and patrolling near our waters and borders.

This in turn would probably be favored by many countries, allies and enemies alike, as it would remove the US threat at their doorsteps and be focused on us (As the US population would want the best level of security to their own country, over Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else for that matter.)

This would in turn allow other countries, allies and enemies, to gain time for their own build ups and fortifications of their countries and the control the US has around the world would have been lost.... attempting to regain it afterwards would take forever, or just would be impossible. With the US's current spread out of forces and being thin as it is, along with the level of deserters coming across our borders and mexico's.... plus the low recruitment levels laitly.... any additional military action, be that in Iran, Canada, or elsewhere would pretty well cripple their effectiveness across the board.

Once again, regardless if we won or lost, or even got additional assistence from allies or former enemies due to this situation, it would be a lose lose situation for the US to attack a nation so close to their borders.

And yes, I am already aware of the "Canada wouldn't last a day" mentality..... which is irrelevent to me personally.

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Of course this is all hypothetical.
 

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Oh I imagine we'd see a mobilization on our part if that occured. We'd see most of our funding of our everyday things be converted towards military production, close our borders, recruits increase 10 fold due to outrage and sympathy for those who died, and chances are, the US would soon have many incursions by either our forces or vigilanties across their borders to cause instability and insecurity in the US.

Once again, whether we would win or lose wouldn't matter, a combat situation in such a close proximity to their country would most certainly result in most forces and the navy to be diverted to homeland security and patrolling near our waters and borders.

This in turn would probably be favored by many countries, allies and enemies alike, as it would remove the US threat at their doorsteps and be focused on us (As the US population would want the best level of security to their own country, over Iraq, Afghanistan or anywhere else for that matter.)

This would in turn allow other countries, allies and enemies, to gain time for their own build ups and fortifications of their countries and the control the US has around the world would have been lost.... attempting to regain it afterwards would take forever, or just would be impossible. With the US's current spread out of forces and being thin as it is, along with the level of deserters coming across our borders and mexico's.... plus the low recruitment levels laitly.... any additional military action, be that in Iran, Canada, or elsewhere would pretty well cripple their effectiveness across the board.

Once again, regardless if we won or lost, or even got additional assistence from allies or former enemies due to this situation, it would be a lose lose situation for the US to attack a nation so close to their borders.

And yes, I am already aware of the "Canada wouldn't last a day" mentality..... which is irrelevent to me personally.

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Of course this is all hypothetical.

This is simply silly....hypothetical or not.

If there were terrorist suspects in Canada, then the USA would attempt to have us extradite them........and we would, with sufficient evidence.

The American people would simply not stand for an attack on a nation so long a friend.......and so closely related.......

Somalia is in chaos, there is no government worth speaking of, no rule of law, no justice.....so there you strike when you see fit.

Simple as that.
 

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This is simply silly....hypothetical or not.

If there were terrorist suspects in Canada, then the USA would attempt to have us extradite them........and we would, with sufficient evidence.

Well obviously... we were speaking hypothetically if they pulled this stunt on Canada. The likelyhood (which I attempted to layout) is slim for some of the reasons explained above.

The American people would simply not stand for an attack on a nation so long a friend.......and so closely related.......

Somalia is in chaos, there is no government worth speaking of, no rule of law, no justice.....so there you strike when you see fit.

Simple as that.

So they're a free for all? That would in turn explain why there isn't a government worthwhile.... who'd want to attempt to gain control on a land such as that, which is being shot and rocketed at all the time by other forign forces?

Regardless, for me it's still the principle of the whole thing.... you don't go and attack another nation except in self defense, and I hardly believe Somalia is in any shape to pose a threat to the US.
 

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Regardless, for me it's still the principle of the whole thing.... you don't go and attack another nation except in self defense, and I hardly believe Somalia is in any shape to pose a threat to the US.
Yes, that is the crux of the matter... you respect others as you wish to be respected!!
 

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Well obviously... we were speaking hypothetically if they pulled this stunt on Canada. The likelyhood (which I attempted to layout) is slim for some of the reasons explained above.



So they're a free for all? That would in turn explain why there isn't a government worthwhile.... who'd want to attempt to gain control on a land such as that, which is being shot and rocketed at all the time by other forign forces?

Regardless, for me it's still the principle of the whole thing.... you don't go and attack another nation except in self defense, and I hardly believe Somalia is in any shape to pose a threat to the US.

No, and the Taliban never attacked the USA either......but they harboured those that did.........

a perfectly legitimate reason to go to war....yet how much better off we would have been if the USA had demolished those terrorist training camps prior to 9-11!

I take it you would have let Eichmann live in Argentina nice and peacefully forever.......
 

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No, and the Taliban never attacked the USA either......but they harboured those that did.........

Or so they say.

a perfectly legitimate reason to go to war....yet how much better off we would have been if the USA had demolished those terrorist training camps prior to 9-11!

And there's the complication with the US's approach in this matter. They're fighting a belief system, an organization which is not stationary to one country, and one that is about as illusive as the War on Drugs (Not Tangible in an effective manner to produce results)

It's like trying to declare war on oxygen or the telitubbies.

The only solution to these matters has been and probably always will be.... Education.

Err.... or propaganda, depending on your position.

I take it you would have let Eichmann live in Argentina nice and peacefully forever.......

Such Black and White mentality you have on the situation.

"He was captured by IsraeliMossad agents in Argentina and tried in Israeli court on fifteen criminal charges, including crimes against humanity and war crimes. He was convicted and hanged."

No, I wouldn't let him stay there forever in peace, but then again.... it wasn't my decision now was it? And if it was, I wouldn't have gone about it like the above method.

I don't suppose you know exactly how many former Nazis fled to Canada?

Steve Rombom looked up the names of suspected Nazis in the telephone book, knocked on their doors and drew out their confessions easily. Now confused old men, they spoke of the inhumanity of the Second World War and more specifically of their privileged roles in fulfilling Hitler's Final Solution. Rambam, an American private detective, is astounded by his findings. War criminals, it seems, are not hiding in Canada; they live freely among us, as shown in this CBC Television documentary.

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDC-1-71-1435-9269/conflict_war/war_criminals/clip8

The issue at hand is that the country in which they are living in should be responsible to bringing these people to justice. If they choose not to, then them's the breaks. It's their country, their choices.... not ours.

Maybe what should have been done was people doing their damn jobs and perhaps catch Eichmann before he fled in the first place.

Honestly, WTF is the point in having different countries and borders, if nobody respects them or their sovereignty / way of life?

Exactly whch is worse? The Criminal, or those who will stop at nothing to catch them which in turn makes them criminals once they overstep their authority?

We have rules, laws and proceedures for doing these sort of things, and when you have the countries who preach about law and order in turn breaking them, exactly what kind of image is that showing the rest of the world?
 

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What a f#cknut you are.

The US only attacks unprotected, weak countries......not where ever the enemy is. The sooner you figure out that when the US "attacks or invades" another country, it is not "ever" for the reasons you are told, it is only for the better interest of the United States of America and now they have the OK to go ahead and bomb any country they wish in the world (including Canada).......just because they want to. Al be it, there is always a reason.......you and I just don't know what that reason is.
 
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If you really think that a group of Somalians are going to gang together and invade the US .....well wow!

But now they, along with many other groups sure as hell don't like america. Like I said before don't stick your nose in other peoples business and they will do the same. However, if you continually slap someone across the head every time you walk by them, eventually that person is going to say enough is enough and give you on F#ck of a beating.

I say board up the whole country (US) and as ole Georgy boy says " you are either with us or against us" You either leave for ever or you stay forever, but once the wall is up nobody goes anywhere. Then and only then will the US leave everyone else the f#ck alone. You can continue to live in you little coccoon of happiness for eternity. And the World Will be a Better Place.
 

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This is simply silly....hypothetical or not.

If there were terrorist suspects in Canada, then the USA would attempt to have us extradite them........and we would, with sufficient evidence.

The American people would simply not stand for an attack on a nation so long a friend.......and so closely related.......

Somalia is in chaos, there is no government worth speaking of, no rule of law, no justice.....so there you strike when you see fit.

Simple as that.

Of course it is silly. It has always been a silly notion that the US would ATTACK Canada. I get a kick out of how some Canadians rub themselves to this.

It is a topic left to the writers of South Park...and Canadian Content members.
 

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What a f#cknut you are.

The US only attacks unprotected, weak countries......not where ever the enemy is. The sooner you figure out that when the US "attacks or invades" another country, it is not "ever" for the reasons you are told, it is only for the better interest of the United States of America and now they have the OK to go ahead and bomb any country they wish in the world (including Canada).......just because they want to. Al be it, there is always a reason.......you and I just don't know what that reason is.

Unprotected like Japan and Germany? Weak like Vietnam? Or Iraq? Afghanistan weak?

Hell I can say the same thing about Canadians want to be known as the world's PeaceKeepers but when you really get down to it they can't keep the peace when someone wants to have a go at the people you are trying to protect. It is easy to stand a post when no one is firing weapons at each other so you can slap each other on the back and say what a great job you're doing. Canadians only want to be Peace Keepers when the Peace has been established.
 

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Let's move the scenario to Canada. How would most Canadians feel having the US bomb a section of Toronto, for instance? Unthinkable!!

I hope they one day soon try their tactics on Moscow or Beijing!!! The fireworks such a move would create!! Then the war on the real terrorists could begin!

Hmm... *Wolf gives the beard a thoughtful stroke* ...Where 'bouts in Toronto? ;-)

Woof!
 

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I hope they one day soon try their tactics on Moscow or Beijing!!! The fireworks such a move would create!! Then the war on the real terrorists could begin!

Nope...it ain't going to happen. The Ruskies have their own problems with islamic radicals in Chechnya. I even read that the Chinese have some issues in their Eastern Borders but it is not so much talked about. Islamic Radicals pretty much hate everyone who isn't them.
 

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Unprotected like Japan and Germany? Weak like Vietnam? Or Iraq? Afghanistan weak?

Hell I can say the same thing about Canadians want to be known as the world's PeaceKeepers but when you really get down to it they can't keep the peace when someone wants to have a go at the people you are trying to protect. It is easy to stand a post when no one is firing weapons at each other so you can slap each other on the back and say what a great job you're doing. Canadians only want to be Peace Keepers when the Peace has been established.

Everyone only wants to be the peacekeeper when peace is well established. Too often, that peace just doesn't want to be kept - and someone ends up in a crossfire. 2 PPCLI showed themselves well in Medak Pocket.

Woof!