Quote: Originally Posted by Dexter Sinister
Yes, I know about that, you can't spend a life immersed in science as I have without coming across people like Lemaitre and Teilhard de Chardin. But if they'd really understood what developing critical reasoning means and applied it to their Roman Catholicism with the same rigour they applied it to their sciences, they'd have seen how corrosive it is to religious belief, and if they were intellectually honest they'd have abandoned it. Nice to be compared to a clever polemicist like Chesterton, but the comment's not really relevant. Atheists don't believe in nothing, they just don't believe in any deities. And you want to talk about death cults, look at Christianity. Its focus is on the hypothesized (with no supporting evidence) next life and how to get there in good shape, not making the best of this one. It glorifies death as the entrance to that next life, it teaches that a man had to die horribly to make that possible, and offers him as the scapegoat for all of our transgressions, thus ultimately absolving us of responsibility for them. It teaches that suffering is good for you, it has redemptive value, brownie points with the celestial dictator who watches everything we do and judges us worthy of joining him or being condemned to the flames for all time. At best I find that a pathetically childish view, at worst it's repulsively immoral. As Christopher Hitchens put it, God created us sick (original sin), commands us to be well, and condemns us if we fail. And that's why...Quote has been trimmed, See full post:
Dealing with some the names you've posted here. I'm not sure Teilhard de Chardin was even Christian. His bizarre concoctions trying the reconcile Darwinism with Christianity seemed to have discredited both, while finally wandering into some strange 'noosphere' destiny, presumably to integrate Carl Jung's more outlandish theories into the mix. The Church ultimately silenced him, essentially preventing him from using the pulpit to legitimize his wild New Age speculation as authentic theology, until they were published in bulk after his death.
You should read Christopher Hitchens' latest, and perhaps last, book, Hitch 22
. It is a saga of disillusionment with all of his poltical associations, Marxism, then socialism, then neoconservatism. You can glean though that it is filled with religious references. Hitchens is obsessed with religion, it defines him, he seems desperately clinging to his atheism as an empty leaking life raft.. the last refuge of a deeply angry and unfulfilled intellect. Now battling cancer of the esophagus, he seems less and less sure of his position. His book God is Not Great
is a very conventional and superficial litany of supposed contradictions and evil intentions of religion, while providing absolutely nothing constructive in its place.. except an abiding skepticism of all allusions to the supernatural.. thence all purpose and structure. It prov
Religion is inevitable. No society or civilization has ever developed that does not have religion at its core, as its root. What you should be worried about is Truth, and you will never find that in Atheism. That has never explained anything. It an exercize in circular and reductive logic, without a beginning or an end, deeply irrational, it is in fact an absurdity unto itself. No religion except Christianity has girded itself so completely with reason. It is bound by reason, its God binds himself with reason, which is why it is so utterly unique in its conception of God and man's relationship with him. How little, Dexter, you seem to understand of it.
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