Married teacher 'made pupil play xylophone during sex'


sanctus
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By ANDREW LEVY

A science master embarked on a year-long affair with one of his pupils after having sex with her in a school store cupboard, a court has heard.
Michael Taylor - now a headmaster - began a secret relationship with the teenager days after she turned 15, the jury was told.
They allegedly met once a week for "music practice" - during which the girl, a talented percussionist, performed sex acts on him.
She was told to keep playing the xylophone during the incidents so anyone passing the classroom did not disturb the couple, the court heard.
Leicester Crown Court was told the teacher liked to be called "Mr Taylor" during sex, telling the girl: "You've got detention with me at the same time next week."
The incidents are alleged to have taken place
during the 1990s, when Taylor was working at Soar Valley College in Leicestershire.
He became principal of the City of Leicester College in nearby Evington last June but was suspended after the allegations came to light.
Nicola Moore, prosecuting, said 45-year-old Taylor began to court the teenager when she was 14.
She told the jury: "He would walk past her form room, making faces and generally flirting.
"They would have long chats over lunch, laughing and joking. It started with him befriending her.
"He would make inappropriate remarks, such as, 'Your hair looks nice' and 'Have you got a boyfriend?'."
When the girl turned 15 the pair had their first kiss in a science store cupboard at the school.
They had sex in the same place days later, the jury heard.
Miss Moore said: "Over the next eight or nine months this became a regular activity.
"They would have physical contact three or four times a week. It mostly took place in the cupboard but also in his car.
"They would drive to secluded spots, where they would carry on their sexual relations.'
The jury was also told the girl, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, was a "keen and talented" musician who was allowed to practise alone at lunchtime.
Miss Moore said the pupil would let Taylor into the music room after he used a "secret knock" and they would then perform sex acts on each other.
She added: "She would carry on playing the xylophone so anyone outside would think she was still practising.
"She recalls this happening once a week. During sex he liked to be called Mr Taylor.
"He would also say 'Bad girl' and 'You've got detention with me at the same time next week'.
"These acts were consensual. She was never forced - she acquiesced and enjoyed his attention. But we say he abused his position of trust."
The girl, now 26, recalled their first kiss in court: "One day he told me to get something from the cupboard. He shut the door behind me, held me and kissed me.
"I was shocked and excited. It wasn't forceful - it was nice. I didn't know it was wrong. I just thought he loved me.
"I was seeing a guy that most of my friends fancied, and he had taken a shine to me."
The court also heard that on one occasion Taylor had sex with the girl in his bed at home while his wife and children were away.
On another he allegedly followed her on holiday to Lincolnshire and had sex with her in his caravan.
Taylor, of Cotgrave in Nottinghamshire, denies committing eight indecent assaults on a girl under 16 and two charges of gross indecency with a child.
He admitted a sexual relationship in his defence statement - but claimed it began after the girl left school and turned 17.
The trial continues.


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wallyj
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Unbelievable,this man is so depraved,and dumb too. Why didn't he just play a recording? But really,a xylophone player. How weird is that?
 
Zzarchov
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I think its kinda sad that one can be fired on allegations alone, shouldn't there be some burden of proof other than he said she said?
 
Josephine
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This was no "relationship" as stated in the article. This was abuse. She was a child and he was in a position of power. Physical force doesn't need to occur for it to be abuse. Most children who are molested or abused don't experience "violence" or "force", but it is still abuse.

As for burden of proof...that's hard. It's different when it's child abuse compared to rape. An adult rape victim isn't always likely to report it, and children are even less likely. Do we expect this child to keep her semen stained panties, or to spit into a tissue and take it to the cops?

authorities on the topic of child molesters and abusers say that the molester finds jobs and hobbies that keeps them in close contact with children...even better when physical contact is not only allowed, but expected...like jobs such as music teacher, gym teacher, sport coach.
 
RomSpaceKnight
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Most guys have fantasies about young girls in school uniform, but that's it fantasies. Like being a knight in shining armour ain't gonna happen. If you want the fantsy that bad call an escort service. Lots of 18-19 year old *****s who will dress in uniform for 50$ per 1/2 hour.

Then again that's the solution for a "normal" guy not a pedophile. Normal in quotations because it's not quite normal or accepted.

For the record have not actually tried that myself. My last sorta GF had her own uniform. Damn she looked good in it.
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by RomSpaceKnightView Post

Most guys have fantasies about young girls in school uniform, but that's it fantasies. Like being a knight in shining armour ain't gonna happen. If you want the fantsy that bad call an escort service. Lots of 18-19 year old *****s who will dress in uniform for 50$ per 1/2 hour.

Then again that's the solution for a "normal" guy not a pedophile. Normal in quotations because it's not quite normal or accepted.

For the record have not actually tried that myself. My last sorta GF had her own uniform. Damn she looked good in it.

LOL.

Oh yeah...I understand that many men have the "school-girl" fantasy. I would be personally offended if my husband busted out the little skirt for me to wear, but whatever!!

And yeah, there's a HUGE difference between men fantasing about their partner or other adult dressing like a school-girl and actually wanting to have sex with a school-girl. This guy, in the article, went way beyond fantasy to rape of a minor and a total abuse of power!
 
Pangloss
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Not to diminish the tragedy of the story - but really. This has to be "teacher has sex with student" story number. . .well, um, it seems like infinity. All over the world, sometimes the teacher is male, sometimes female, sometimes the student is female, sometimes male - sometimes the child accuses rape, sometimes the parents do, sometimes the kid and the teacher eventually get together when the kid grows up and they get married. . .

Sigh.

You know, there are bus crash stories every day too - a friend of mine, a news director - keeps a file of them just to prove that there are sometimes greater tragedies that happen that we just don't care about.

Maybe it's because there are no boobs and bums and penises and vaginas. Maybe it's because we can't look down on some bad person and feel superior. Maybe moral superiority just feels good.

Sorry sanctus - but we've covered this ground too many times for it to be worth your time, or mine, or anyone's, frankly.

Pangloss
 
DurkaDurka
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I think if I was 16-17 I wouldn't mind at all if a cute female teacher had rocked my bones.
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Not to diminish the tragedy of the story - but really. This has to be "teacher has sex with student" story number. . .well, um, it seems like infinity. All over the world, sometimes the teacher is male, sometimes female, sometimes the student is female, sometimes male - sometimes the child accuses rape, sometimes the parents do, sometimes the kid and the teacher eventually get together when the kid grows up and they get married. . .

Sigh.

You know, there are bus crash stories every day too - a friend of mine, a news director - keeps a file of them just to prove that there are sometimes greater tragedies that happen that we just don't care about.

Maybe it's because there are no boobs and bums and penises and vaginas. Maybe it's because we can't look down on some bad person and feel superior. Maybe moral superiority just feels good.

Sorry sanctus - but we've covered this ground too many times for it to be worth your time, or mine, or anyone's, frankly.

Pangloss


So that's what you think this is all about Pangloss? There is a difference between this issue and a bus crash. There's no politics in bus crashes...unless you would like to debate if buses should have seatbelts, or the driver was drunk.
 
Pangloss
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No, Josephine, that's not my point - and a more generous read of my post on your part would show that.

Without question, 27 people dead in a bus crash (happened two days ago, BTW) is a worse tragedy than one student raped, no disrespect to the victim. Or the 27 dead.

But we all get up on our hind legs for a teacher/student story, no matter how many times it gets written up in the press. We don't do this for stories of "mundane tragedy" with no prurient content. Unless the body count itself is the pornography - say 200 dead in a plane crash. No, wait - that happened in Singapore a couple months ago, and it didn't get posted here. Just like the bus crashes.

We know teacher/student sex/rape/whatever-else-that-is-inappropriate happens - we know it's bad - we know we must punish the offender and offer therapy to the student. There is nothing new to say - nothing political to discover - there is no controversy - no disagreement. We all know it is bad, we should be aware of it, and we should act immediately when we find out about it.

What is left to say?

This isn't to hide from the story - it is to say that at this point, all this interest in teacher/student sex/etc. is starting to look a little suspect itself.

Pangloss
 
Pangloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by DurkaDurkaView Post

I think if I was 16-17 I wouldn't mind at all if a cute female teacher had rocked my bones.

You've kind of nailed a problem: when is it rape, when is it statutory, when does the free will of the student become a part of the equation?

I am in no way defending the teachers - they are the grown-ups, they are in a position of power, and of trust, and there is no way this is a balanced or equitable relationship.

But I do seem to dimly remember being a teenager and having the power to make my own choices - including the choice of having my first relationship with a much, much older woman. She might have been wrong (I'm not so sure about that), but I know I made my own choices, I had a great time, and there was no element of domination or abuse.

But of course in the church of sexual politics, I just spoke heresy.

Pangloss
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

No, Josephine, that's not my point - and a more generous read of my post on your part would show that.

Without question, 27 people dead in a bus crash (happened two days ago, BTW) is a worse tragedy than one student raped, no disrespect to the victim. Or the 27 dead.

But we all get up on our hind legs for a teacher/student story, no matter how many times it gets written up in the press. We don't do this for stories of "mundane tragedy" with no prurient content. Unless the body count itself is the pornography - say 200 dead in a plane crash. No, wait - that happened in Singapore a couple months ago, and it didn't get posted here. Just like the bus crashes.

We know teacher/student sex/rape/whatever-else-that-is-inappropriate happens - we know it's bad - we know we must punish the offender and offer therapy to the student. There is nothing new to say - nothing political to discover - there is no controversy - no disagreement. We all know it is bad, we should be aware of it, and we should act immediately when we find out about it.

What is left to say?

This isn't to hide from the story - it is to say that at this point, all this interest in teacher/student sex/etc. is starting to look a little suspect itself.

Pangloss


Pangloss, I read your original comment...you sounded bored and pointed out that more attention should be paid to other issues or situations...you then accused us who participated in this thread of getting on our moral high-horses. I felt insulted.

So if a story is very common we shouldn't bother discussing it? If you would like to discuss the bus crash or the place crash...what would you like to discuss? What is there to say about that? It's a horrible tragedy with too much death. This is supposed to be a forum where people post topics they wish to discuss...if you're tired of discussing this, don't participate in this thread...because right now, it sounds like you're on your moral high-horse.
 
Zzarchov
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To go back to the Burden of Proof:

Isn't it odd to have perfect faith that the teacher is automatically disgusting enough to bang a 14 year old, but never put a thought to the idea that the girl could be disgusting enough to lie about an allegation like this?

Perhaps he didn't agree to pay her off to feed her coke habit, again, thats why we usually require evidence of a crime before locking someone up for it.

As many other stories by Sanctus have pointed out, there are just as many (in fact slightly more due to gender demographics) females who are equally as disturbed as those sick menfolk who make his articles.
 
Pangloss
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I'll try one last time, Josephine. . .

Now, if you were looking for something central to my first post, perhaps this paragraph is instructive:

You know, there are bus crash stories every day too - a friend of mine, a news director - keeps a file of them just to prove that there are sometimes greater tragedies that happen that we just don't care about.

What I am talking about is a sense of proportion - something we seem to lose with alarming frequency. What I am talking about is a creepy fascination we have with sex crimes. What I am talking about is being manipulated by cynical reporters and editors into thinking that this continues to be news*.

Bored? No. There's nothing bored in my post. Weary, yes - but only an illiterate would call that bored.

You felt insulted - I feel hungry. So what? You own your feelings, and I will own mine. There was no insult, expressed or implied, so now I feel insulted that you so grievously misread me. Notice how silly that last sentence reads?

Now as to meta-comments on posts:

This is supposed to be a forum where people post topics they wish to discuss...if you're tired of discussing this, don't participate in this thread...because right now, it sounds like you're on your moral high-horse.

Now that is silly - and current practice on this forum supports meta-analysis of posts and the meaning behind a news story.

Since when, Josephine, did pointing at something and saying "I don't agree with this" become being on a high horse? If that is indeed the case - we'd better build a corral - because apparently everybody here's got one.

Including you, for the above-quoted paragraph.

Pangloss

*please, Josephine, notice I did not write "important" - I wrote "news" for a specific reason.

-pan
 
Pangloss
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Good questions, Zzarchov - but in the absence of evidence of a vindictive nature, what are we actually justified in suspecting her of?

Pangloss
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

You've kind of nailed a problem: when is it rape, when is it statutory, when does the free will of the student become a part of the equation?

I am in no way defending the teachers - they are the grown-ups, they are in a position of power, and of trust, and there is no way this is a balanced or equitable relationship.

But I do seem to dimly remember being a teenager and having the power to make my own choices - including the choice of having my first relationship with a much, much older woman. She might have been wrong (I'm not so sure about that), but I know I made my own choices, I had a great time, and there was no element of domination or abuse.

But of course in the church of sexual politics, I just spoke heresy.

Pangloss

My husband and I actually had this discussion. He said the same thing, that at that age he would have been thrilled if his teacher had wanted to have sex. I get that, but the teacher should know what is illegal and what is not. He/she is in a position of power and authority over the child, they are the adults and they should know better.
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

I'll try one last time, Josephine. . .

Now, if you were looking for something central to my first post, perhaps this paragraph is instructive:

You know, there are bus crash stories every day too - a friend of mine, a news director - keeps a file of them just to prove that there are sometimes greater tragedies that happen that we just don't care about.

What I am talking about is a sense of proportion - something we seem to lose with alarming frequency. What I am talking about is a creepy fascination we have with sex crimes. What I am talking about is being manipulated by cynical reporters and editors into thinking that this continues to be news*.

Bored? No. There's nothing bored in my post. Weary, yes - but only an illiterate would call that bored.

You felt insulted - I feel hungry. So what? You own your feelings, and I will own mine. There was no insult, expressed or implied, so now I feel insulted that you so grievously misread me. Notice how silly that last sentence reads?

Now as to meta-comments on posts:

This is supposed to be a forum where people post topics they wish to discuss...if you're tired of discussing this, don't participate in this thread...because right now, it sounds like you're on your moral high-horse.

Now that is silly - and current practice on this forum supports meta-analysis of posts and the meaning behind a news story.

Since when, Josephine, did pointing at something and saying "I don't agree with this" become being on a high horse? If that is indeed the case - we'd better build a corral - because apparently everybody here's got one.

Including you, for the above-quoted paragraph.

Pangloss

*please, Josephine, notice I did not write "important" - I wrote "news" for a specific reason.

-pan

I don't think it's necessarily a "creepy fascination". I know for me, I read these stories and articles for educational purposes. I think it's important to recognize a pattern in the stories. They are all so similar, but that's the interesting thing...for me at least.
I do agree with you about the proportion thing. I remember with 9-11...I was horrified about the number of people who were killed in NYC, and yet we always hear about sunami's and floods and landslides that kills thousands more...
I guess we all do have our own high-horses.
 
Pangloss
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Josephine - it can be anything you want it to be for you - the "creepy fascination" characterization was a statement on a pop-culture level, not about any one poster.

Pangloss
 
Zzarchov
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Good questions, Zzarchov - but in the absence of evidence of a vindictive nature, what are we actually justified in suspecting her of?

Pangloss

I agree, lacking evidence no charges should be levied at her. Likewise, without evidence, sorry lass, no charges at the teacher. You should have reported this at the time. It is a shame if he did commit a crime and he got away with it, but if he did it is not through fault of the justice system. All that was required was to report it. It would be a bigger shame if he was innocent but didn't have enough evidence of him NOT commiting a crime (it was said she shouldn't be expected to keep semen stained garments for 12 years when she knew a crime was taking place, is it reasonable for him to be forced to account for his whereabouts for years on end 12 years later, when he had no idea he was going to need that in court?)

Innocent until proven guilty. PROVEN.
 
TenPenny
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Quote: Originally Posted by ZzarchovView Post

To go back to the Burden of Proof:

Isn't it odd to have perfect faith that the teacher is automatically disgusting enough to bang a 14 year old, but never put a thought to the idea that the girl could be disgusting enough to lie about an allegation like this?

Perhaps he didn't agree to pay her off to feed her coke habit, again, thats why we usually require evidence of a crime before locking someone up for it.

I'm not sure what your issue is; didn't the article say he was SUSPENDED; isn't that normal for an adult in charge of children when allegations of this sort come out?
 
Pangloss
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Zzarchov - yeah, proving a negative is pretty much impossible - and you're right, people should speak up when the awful thing happens.

What happens if they don't know it was wrong, though? What if they are too young or innocent or trusting?

The "Quest" students at John Oliver High School didn't come forward until they were in their 20s. The teacher pleaded guilty.

Pangloss
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Zzarchov - yeah, proving a negative is pretty much impossible - and you're right, people should speak up when the awful thing happens.

What happens if they don't know it was wrong, though? What if they are too young or innocent or trusting?

The "Quest" students at John Oliver High School didn't come forward until they were in their 20s. The teacher pleaded guilty.

Pangloss


It's true many children don't really understand what has happened to them until they get older. And, as a child, it can be a terrifying concept to tell someone what has happened to you. The abuser has a great skill at making that child believe that they are to blame or that they are just as guilty as the abuser. I don't think anyone should be convicted of anything without evidence. But I can say that it's not easy for a child to come out and tell someone that they're being abused. The emotional destruction that takes place with abuse, should not take away you're right to bring forth allegations. But again...some form of proof or evidence is needed for a conviction.
 
Pangloss
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Quote: Originally Posted by JosephineView Post

It's true many children don't really understand what has happened to them until they get older. And, as a child, it can be a terrifying concept to tell someone what has happened to you. The abuser has a great skill at making that child believe that they are to blame or that they are just as guilty as the abuser. I don't think anyone should be convicted of anything without evidence. But I can say that it's not easy for a child to come out and tell someone that they're being abused. The emotional destruction that takes place with abuse, should not take away you're right to bring forth allegations. But again...some form of proof or evidence is needed for a conviction.

Josephine - not to be too much of a bitch about this - but this has all been written before. Everyone knows what you are writing and agrees with you. This is one of the very things we just wrote to each other about, remember?

Regardless of the topic or its importance, what is the importance or value of repeating what has already been written?

Pangloss
 
Zzarchov
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Quote: Originally Posted by JosephineView Post

It's true many children don't really understand what has happened to them until they get older. And, as a child, it can be a terrifying concept to tell someone what has happened to you. The abuser has a great skill at making that child believe that they are to blame or that they are just as guilty as the abuser. I don't think anyone should be convicted of anything without evidence. But I can say that it's not easy for a child to come out and tell someone that they're being abused. The emotional destruction that takes place with abuse, should not take away you're right to bring forth allegations. But again...some form of proof or evidence is needed for a conviction.

And many adults are not good people, and fully understand that making up baseless claims can get them money, fame, publicity and perhaps simple malice or vengeance.

If you didn't need a trial or any proof at all if the alleged crime was horrid enough, I guarantee you those annoying neighbours of mine would be hauled off into the night never to see the light of day as free men again.

Even if its difficult to report a crime, its your duty to report it. If this event did happen, and he did molest a 14 year old, how many more 14 year olds got molested in the following 12 years because she did nothing.

She's 14 not retarded. Many people younger than her have been tried as adults, therefore in the legal system they must surely be viewed as having the same ability to recognize right from wrong.
 
Toro
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Damn, where were all these teachers having sex with their students when I was in high school?

I wanted to hit it with my art teacher!
 
DurkaDurka
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Quote: Originally Posted by ToroView Post

Damn, where were all these teachers having sex with their students when I was in high school?

I wanted to hit it with my art teacher!

I always wanted to pro create with a female gym teacher of my time...
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

Josephine - not to be too much of a bitch about this - but this has all been written before. Everyone knows what you are writing and agrees with you. This is one of the very things we just wrote to each other about, remember?

Regardless of the topic or its importance, what is the importance or value of repeating what has already been written?

Pangloss

If my response has been repeated many times, then the questions before it has been repeated many times.
 
Pangloss
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That was an answer?

Pangloss
 
missile
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It's the musical element I found interesting, and wondered why not the tuba?
 
Josephine
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Quote: Originally Posted by PanglossView Post

That was an answer?

Pangloss


What would you like me to say?

If I'm repeating myself, I'm not the only one...so you're singling me out...why?

And yes, maybe what I said does need to be repeated...obviously Zzarchov wants to keep debating it, so...
 

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