Call that humiliation?

sanctus

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No hoods. No electric shocks. No beatings. These Iranians clearly are a very uncivilised bunch

Terry Jones

The Guardian

I share the outrage expressed in the British press over the treatment of our naval personnel accused by Iran of illegally entering their waters. It is a disgrace. We would never dream of treating captives like this - allowing them to smoke cigarettes, for example, even though it has been proven that smoking kills. And as for compelling poor servicewoman Faye Turney to wear a black headscarf, and then allowing the picture to be posted around the world - have the Iranians no concept of civilised behaviour? For God's sake, what's wrong with putting a bag over her head? That's what we do with the Muslims we capture: we put bags over their heads, so it's hard to breathe. Then it's perfectly acceptable to take photographs of them and circulate them to the press because the captives can't be recognised and humiliated in the way these unfortunate British service people are.

It is also unacceptable that these British captives should be made to talk on television and say things that they may regret later. If the Iranians put duct tape over their mouths, like we do to our captives, they wouldn't be able to talk at all. Of course they'd probably find it even harder to breathe - especially with a bag over their head - but at least they wouldn't be humiliated.

And what's all this about allowing the captives to write letters home saying they are all right? It's time the Iranians fell into line with the rest of the civilised world: they should allow their captives the privacy of solitary confinement. That's one of the many privileges the US grants to its captives in Guantánamo Bay.

The true mark of a civilised country is that it doesn't rush into charging people whom it has arbitrarily arrested in places it's just invaded. The inmates of Guantánamo, for example, have been enjoying all the privacy they want for almost five years, and the first inmate has only just been charged. What a contrast to the disgraceful Iranian rush to parade their captives before the cameras!

What's more, it is clear that the Iranians are not giving their British prisoners any decent physical exercise. The US military make sure that their Iraqi captives enjoy PT. This takes the form of exciting "stress positions", which the captives are expected to hold for hours on end so as to improve their stomach and calf muscles. A common exercise is where they are made to stand on the balls of their feet and then squat so that their thighs are parallel to the ground. This creates intense pain and, finally, muscle failure. It's all good healthy fun and has the bonus that the captives will confess to anything to get out of it.

And this brings me to my final point. It is clear from her TV appearance that servicewoman Turney has been put under pressure. The newspapers have persuaded behavioural psychologists to examine the footage and they all conclude that she is "unhappy and stressed".

What is so appalling is the underhand way in which the Iranians have got her "unhappy and stressed". She shows no signs of electrocution or burn marks and there are no signs of beating on her face. This is unacceptable. If captives are to be put under duress, such as by forcing them into compromising sexual positions, or having electric shocks to their genitals, they should be photographed, as they were in Abu Ghraib. The photographs should then be circulated around the civilised world so that everyone can see exactly what has been going on.

As Stephen Glover pointed out in the Daily Mail, perhaps it would not be right to bomb Iran in retaliation for the humiliation of our servicemen, but clearly the Iranian people must be made to suffer - whether by beefing up sanctions, as the Mail suggests, or simply by getting President Bush to hurry up and invade, as he intends to anyway, and bring democracy and western values to the country, as he has in Iraq.

· Terry Jones is a film director, actor and Python
 

wallyj

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Yea,it would be much more civilized if they would stand behind them and chant Allah is great while one of thier buddies slowly hacked off his head while he was fully conscious.Watch one of the many beheadings that the islamic "religion of peace" carry out and then come back and tell me how bad the prisoners at G bay are treated. Or maybe watch the video of the american soldiers set on fire and dragged through the streets. Get a grip on reality,the "religion of peace" members are anything but. It must be satisfying to feel so lofty and pure while these nutbars routinely torture and execute innocent people.Watch an Iranian stoning ,it is sickening just like listening to apologists.
 
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crit13

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I agree with Wally.

Many of you are completely out of your minds if you are trying to portray the Iranians as civilized. These are the same government people that will hang a woman that was raped because she allowed it to happen. The same courts where a woman testimony is worth one third of a mans. The same people that will bury you up to your neck and stone you for being a prostitute.

The only thing the loony left hate more than non liberal views is anything to do with the US or the West.

Given the choice, I would rather be captured by the US or Britain than Iran any day of the week.
 

Zzarchov

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The same country where these men are probably tortured repeatedly until one of them agrees to "confess", then they are put back on TV.
 

sanctus

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I agree with Wally.

Many of you are completely out of your minds if you are trying to portray the Iranians as civilized. These are the same government people that will hang a woman that was raped because she allowed it to happen. The same courts where a woman testimony is worth one third of a mans. The same people that will bury you up to your neck and stone you for being a prostitute.

The only thing the loony left hate more than non liberal views is anything to do with the US or the West.

Given the choice, I would rather be captured by the US or Britain than Iran any day of the week.

Get a grip, it was a piece of satire. The fact is, the prisoners are being much better treated by the Iranians than the Americans treat theirs.
 

wallyj

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Are you sure about it being a piece of satire,or just another self-righteous poke at the Americans?Also,how do you know that the Iranians are treating them better? Because they haven't killed them yet,maybe,or do you just like the Iranians a little better than the yanks? Why don't you take a trip to Tehran and inquire about starting a Christian missionary? Then we can see you on TV explaining how Islam is the better religion.
 

sanctus

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Are you sure about it being a piece of satire,or just another self-righteous poke at the Americans?Also,how do you know that the Iranians are treating them better? Because they haven't killed them yet,maybe,or do you just like the Iranians a little better than the yanks? Why don't you take a trip to Tehran and inquire about starting a Christian missionary? Then we can see you on TV explaining how Islam is the better religion.

You're not the sharpest knife in the drawer, are you?
 

crit13

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Hooray for Iran!!

Iran: stonings should stop

Amnesty International voiced its outrage today at the reported stoning to death of an Iranian woman at Evin prison in Tehran.

"Executions by stoning aggravate the brutality of the death penalty, which in itself is the most extreme form of torture and the ultimate violation of the right to life. It is a method specifically designed to increase the victim's suffering," the organization said.

Despite Amnesty International's worldwide appeals for 30-year-old Maryam Ayoubi's death sentence to be commuted, she was executed this morning. The woman had recently been found guilty of adultery and of murdering her husband.

The stoning of Maryam Ayoubi increases concern that the authorities may carry out even more executions by stoning. A woman identified only as Robabeh was reported on 24 June to have been sentenced to 50 lashes to be followed by death by stoning for adultery. Her unnamed male accomplice had reportedly been sentenced to 100 lashes and death by hanging.

In renewing its urgent appeals to the Iranian authorities to commute these sentences, Amnesty International is adding its voice to those of officials, organizations and individuals in Iran who have already voiced their concern over this punishment.
 

crit13

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The stoning of women is one of the more savage, and revealing aspects of the mullahs' rule in Iran. This vicious punishment of women is without precedent in Iran's recent history. Since the inception of the mullahs' rule, hundreds of women of various ages have been and continue to be stoned to death throughout Iran. What makes this hideous crime even more abhorrent is that it is carried out under the name of Islam.

http://www.vibrani.com/stoning.htm
 

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It is most definitely satire. Are your sarcasm metres broke? Perhaps if it were posted in sarcastic purple there wouldn't be any confusion.

Truth hurts I guess, more fitting than you know...
 

Tonington

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Yes Crit, you'll note the article says nothing about the other plethora of human rights abuses committed by Iran. What it did was satirically highlight the differences between a known human rights abuser and one of the self-proclaimed champions of human rights, specifically through their treatment of captured combatants.
 

snfu73

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That whole hostage taking incident was...bizarre. I don't really understand it. There was a reason behind it all...I'm just not sure what it was. Why did that happen now? What was Iran trying to prove? What was it trying to show the world? What did it say about the current state of affairs? What did it say about Iran? About Britain? Very odd deal, that one.
 

talloola

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I'm very happy with the behavior of the British during this event, they certainly have shown the U.S.
how diplomacy works.
The U.S. probably would have bombed them by now.
Who knows why they took them, but I never for one minute believed they would be harmed. Iran
was playing some kind of game. Another ploy to get the attention of the world, and make the west
nervous.
 

thomaska

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Get a grip, it was a piece of satire. The fact is, the prisoners are being much better treated by the Iranians than the Americans treat theirs.

Yes..yes. Just ask any of those people who were guests of the Islamic Republic for 400+ days back during Carter's presidency.

They will attest to the Iranian hospitality.
 

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Yea,it would be much more civilized if they would stand behind them and chant Allah is great while one of thier buddies slowly hacked off his head while he was fully conscious.Watch one of the many beheadings that the islamic "religion of peace" carry out and then come back and tell me how bad the prisoners at G bay are treated. Or maybe watch the video of the american soldiers set on fire and dragged through the streets. Get a grip on reality,the "religion of peace" members are anything but. It must be satisfying to feel so lofty and pure while these nutbars routinely torture and execute innocent people.Watch an Iranian stoning ,it is sickening just like listening to apologists.

How dare you bring up the true culture and nature of muslims. How dare you not turn your western eyes to beheadings, chopping off hands for theft, stonings, floggings, burnings, public hangings for premarital sex and same sex relations, etc.

The Americans put a bag over the guy's head and made him stand on a box... now that is TRUE torture.