May 1st, 2007, 03:19 PM
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So, is that why so many people with conditions like fibromyalgia and arthritis get so much worse when they use diet products? I know that amino acid imbalances are a huge issue with fibro.
aspartame is the methyl ester of the dipeptide asp-phe. in other words it is made of two amino acids, both of which are found in our bodies, bonded together in the same way amino acids in our body are joined to make things like hormones and proteins.
did you know water is toxic too?
did you know water is toxic too?
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May 1st, 2007, 03:28 PM
I think aspartame is unusual for a sweetener in that it's a dipeptide rather than some form or modified carbohydrate (sugar is a carbohydrate). For instance "splenda" is made FROM sugar, just altered to make it indigestible.
sweeteners take a huge variety of shapes and forms. Aspartame, at least theoretically, is one of the least harmful, since it's made from naturally occuring compounds (unlike, for instance, saccharin). The slight danger with aspartame is that one of the amino acids is phenylalanine, which is the one people with PKU, an inbred metabolic condition which means you are unable to metabolise phenylalanine, which, in very high concentrations, is a neurotoxin. This is why you often see the words "contains a source of phenylalanine" on the box.
I think aspartame is unusual for a sweetener in that it's a dipeptide rather than some form or modified carbohydrate (sugar is a carbohydrate). For instance "splenda" is made FROM sugar, just altered to make it indigestible.
sweeteners take a huge variety of shapes and forms. Aspartame, at least theoretically, is one of the least harmful, since it's made from naturally occuring compounds (unlike, for instance, saccharin). The slight danger with aspartame is that one of the amino acids is phenylalanine, which is the one people with PKU, an inbred metabolic condition which means you are unable to metabolise phenylalanine, which, in very high concentrations, is a neurotoxin. This is why you often see the words "contains a source of phenylalanine" on the box.
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May 1st, 2007, 03:42 PM
sorry for the graininess. top left=glucose, top right aspartame, middle=saccharin, bottom left="sucralose" the sweetener in "splenda", bottom right=sucrose, or table sugar
sorry for the graininess. top left=glucose, top right aspartame, middle=saccharin, bottom left="sucralose" the sweetener in "splenda", bottom right=sucrose, or table sugar
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May 1st, 2007, 03:53 PM
yes I do. partake in artificial sweeteners, but usually only if i can't get the real thing :0)
as for stretch's point (please dont call me mate). i'm sure stevia has its own hazards. the problem is until something is brought into mass use studies the size of those which are carried out on things like aspartame cannot occur.
yes I do. partake in artificial sweeteners, but usually only if i can't get the real thing :0)
as for stretch's point (please dont call me mate). i'm sure stevia has its own hazards. the problem is until something is brought into mass use studies the size of those which are carried out on things like aspartame cannot occur.
May 1st, 2007, 04:06 PM
Quoting hermanntrude
actually, stevia is in mass use in Japan, making up 40% of their artificial sweetener market. Wiki has a neat entry on it. What I find most interesting, is how stevia is still a morphed glucose molecule. It's just a plant that morphs it, instead of a human. You'd probably find the article on there very interesting Hermann.
yes I do. partake in artificial sweeteners, but usually only if i can't get the real thing :0)
as for stretch's point (please dont call me mate). i'm sure stevia has its own hazards. the problem is until something is brought into mass use studies the size of those which are carried out on things like aspartame cannot occur.
as for stretch's point (please dont call me mate). i'm sure stevia has its own hazards. the problem is until something is brought into mass use studies the size of those which are carried out on things like aspartame cannot occur.
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May 1st, 2007, 04:18 PM
steviol is attached to three or four glucose units. I suppose those units must be strongly bound to the steviol unit to avoid it being digestible (as it has "no calorific value"). Steviol vaguely resembles a steroid in structure
steviol is attached to three or four glucose units. I suppose those units must be strongly bound to the steviol unit to avoid it being digestible (as it has "no calorific value"). Steviol vaguely resembles a steroid in structure
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May 1st, 2007, 04:24 PM
well some of the stuff you've said previously has made me come to the decision you're no friend of mine. At least this one might be true and isnt harmful to anyone.
well some of the stuff you've said previously has made me come to the decision you're no friend of mine. At least this one might be true and isnt harmful to anyone.
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May 1st, 2007, 04:26 PM
In 2006, the World Health Organization (WHO) performed a thorough evaluation of recent experimental studies of stevia extracts conducted on animals and humans, and concluded that "stevioside and rebaudioside A are not genotoxic in vitro or in vivo and that the genotoxicity of steviol and some of its oxidative derivatives in vitro is not expressed in vivo."[6] The report also found no evidence of carcinogenic activity. The report also suggested the possibility of health benefits, in that "stevioside has shown some evidence of pharmacological effects in patients with hypertension or with type-2 diabetes"[6], but concluded that further study was required to determine proper dosage.
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and it has them funny diagrams too, hermy
In 2006, the World Health Organization (WHO) performed a thorough evaluation of recent experimental studies of stevia extracts conducted on animals and humans, and concluded that "stevioside and rebaudioside A are not genotoxic in vitro or in vivo and that the genotoxicity of steviol and some of its oxidative derivatives in vitro is not expressed in vivo."[6] The report also found no evidence of carcinogenic activity. The report also suggested the possibility of health benefits, in that "stevioside has shown some evidence of pharmacological effects in patients with hypertension or with type-2 diabetes"[6], but concluded that further study was required to determine proper dosage.
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May 1st, 2007, 04:26 PM
Isn't that what they do to make Olestra the fat substitute? It passes thrugh undigested and sometimes to fast for certain people, that's why it says something like "can cause anal leakage" in the warning label.
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steviol is attached to three or four glucose units. I suppose those units must be strongly bound to the steviol unit to avoid it being digestible (as it has "no calorific value"). Steviol vaguely resembles a steroid in structure
Isn't that what they do to make Olestra the fat substitute? It passes thrugh undigested and sometimes to fast for certain people, that's why it says something like "can cause anal leakage" in the warning label.
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May 1st, 2007, 04:29 PM
those results, they seem quite positive, but in vivo tests on other species are hard to translate to humans, and i'm pretty sure there's no such thing as "in vitro toxicity", since in vitro means in glass and glass doesnt often die of poisoning. I would suggest that maybe aspartame does have some adverse effects, but we wouldn't know about them if it hadnt been introduced as an artificial sweetener, and the same may or may not be true of stevia
those results, they seem quite positive, but in vivo tests on other species are hard to translate to humans, and i'm pretty sure there's no such thing as "in vitro toxicity", since in vitro means in glass and glass doesnt often die of poisoning. I would suggest that maybe aspartame does have some adverse effects, but we wouldn't know about them if it hadnt been introduced as an artificial sweetener, and the same may or may not be true of stevia
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May 1st, 2007, 04:30 PM
I have a differing opinion to you on somethings, and you judge me on that...bit like judging a book by its cover... ah well be a bloody boring place if we all agreed, eh mate?
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well some of the stuff you've said previously has made me come to the decision you're no friend of mine. At least this one might be true and isnt harmful to anyone.
I have a differing opinion to you on somethings, and you judge me on that...bit like judging a book by its cover... ah well be a bloody boring place if we all agreed, eh mate?
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May 1st, 2007, 04:34 PM
it wasnt your opinion that did it. It was your telling this whole site that diabetes type1 is cureable by an unproven method, thus making it possible for someone to kill themselves by your advice.
it wasnt your opinion that did it. It was your telling this whole site that diabetes type1 is cureable by an unproven method, thus making it possible for someone to kill themselves by your advice.
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May 1st, 2007, 04:53 PM
Awesome smackdown herman; stretch - you just might try being a little less credulous.
Also stretch - posting quotes about the news does not indicate that you know anything about either the news nor what those quotes actually mean. If they were used to illustrate a point in your argument, great - but by themselves, pretty much a naked appeal to authority, therefore worthless.
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Awesome smackdown herman; stretch - you just might try being a little less credulous.
Also stretch - posting quotes about the news does not indicate that you know anything about either the news nor what those quotes actually mean. If they were used to illustrate a point in your argument, great - but by themselves, pretty much a naked appeal to authority, therefore worthless.
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