Quote: Originally Posted by the caracal kid
you raise an important point. The fall-out from WW1 created the conditions for a "hitler" to rise. If it was not Hilter, it would have been somebody of the same mind-set.
This is the great lesson that needs to be remembered from the first half of the last century.
I have talked to bear about "lest we forget". Lest we forget the complete history that led to where we are now. We are products of the past, and need to heed its lessons. We need not be bound to sentimentality for false debts. We must remember that the men on both sides of war have more in common with each other than they do with those that sent them there.
"I dont believe that there was a "goodguy" in ww2"
Goodguys are created. Enemies are created. People are dehumanized. People are so quick to separate and "demonize" the "hitlers" because their real fear is that what made the "hitlers" beats in each and every one of them. Killing is killing.
I disagree Caracal Kid, there certainly were "good guy's", but there were more incompitant idiots, idiots of the same mind-set of the previous war. Take the French for example, THEY were mainly responsible for the harsh treatment meated out to the Germans after WW1, and they decided they'd try and dictate how war should be fought...boy they had suprise.
The British people were responsible for allowing such a party to rise to power, and their politicians were, if you can blame them for this, responsible for bowing to public pressure, Britain didnt want a fight, they were DEAD and I mean DEAD in the water after WW1 and they, for a while saw what the germans were doing, and looking at their old enemy france, and kinda felt sorry for them.
The good guy's had to deal in shades of Grey, they were not good all the time, but their final deeds, the freedoms they brought about were. A good example of this would be Montgomery, he killed thousands of his own men in Al-Alimain and in operation market garden, but in the end, Al-Alimain will always be seen as a decisive battle.
But without Churchill, there would be no freedom, not for Europe, not for Asia and not for Africa certainly, America? well that's open to interpretation, but lets not forget all those nice quante fascist states in south America.
Churchill was a hero, a man tht transends people like you or I, he had many faults, but as Eisenhower said, we should thank him, we all owe him a lot.