US Executes 1000th person
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Man 1000 state sanctioned murders. :evil: They must be so proud. I wonder how many were innocent?
Man 1000 state sanctioned murders. :evil: They must be so proud. I wonder how many were innocent?
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Or mentally handicapped? Either way I'm sure there's statistics for both of those. Many others though I'm sure may have deserved it, but if the system isn't 100% foolproof it really should be reconsidered.
no1important said:
Or mentally handicapped? Either way I'm sure there's statistics for both of those. Many others though I'm sure may have deserved it, but if the system isn't 100% foolproof it really should be reconsidered.
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Not to mention 22 minors since 1976 or 342 since 1642.
I see Texas executed an astounding 344 out of those 1000, they are far ahead of the pack.
Everything you need to know about death penalty from answers.com[/url
A teaser:
Most notably, 67% of capital convictions are eventually overturned, mainly on procedural grounds although some were exonerated. Seven percent of those whose sentences were overturned between 1973 and 1995 have been found innocent. Ten percent were retried and resentenced to death.[/teaser]
One innocent person executed, whether it is 1 in a 1000 or 1 in a million is one to many.
Not to mention 22 minors since 1976 or 342 since 1642.
I see Texas executed an astounding 344 out of those 1000, they are far ahead of the pack.
Everything you need to know about death penalty from answers.com[/url
A teaser:
Most notably, 67% of capital convictions are eventually overturned, mainly on procedural grounds although some were exonerated. Seven percent of those whose sentences were overturned between 1973 and 1995 have been found innocent. Ten percent were retried and resentenced to death.[/teaser]
One innocent person executed, whether it is 1 in a 1000 or 1 in a million is one to many.
Innocent man free after 24 years in prison
A teaser:
MARIETTA, Ga. -- A judge Thursday freed an inmate whose claims of innocence in a kidnapping and rape went unheeded for nearly a quarter of a century, until DNA evidence proved him right.
At the end of the 15-minute hearing where Robert Clark was finally granted his freedom, his attorney, Peter Neufeld, patted him on the back and said, "You're free to go, fella."
Clark's mother died and his children grew up and had families of their own while he sat in prison for a 1981 attack on an Atlanta woman. His lawyers said DNA from another man matches not only that rape, but two others that were committed later.
Clark, 45, was convicted and sentenced to life plus 20 years after a woman identified him as the man who carjacked her in Atlanta and raped her. But recent DNA tests showed that Clark did not commit the crime. [/end teaser]
I know he was not in jail for murder, but this is similar enough. Another reason to abolish the death penalty. I wonder how many people were to be freed today if they lived long enough for DNA to clear them.
A teaser:
MARIETTA, Ga. -- A judge Thursday freed an inmate whose claims of innocence in a kidnapping and rape went unheeded for nearly a quarter of a century, until DNA evidence proved him right.
At the end of the 15-minute hearing where Robert Clark was finally granted his freedom, his attorney, Peter Neufeld, patted him on the back and said, "You're free to go, fella."
Clark's mother died and his children grew up and had families of their own while he sat in prison for a 1981 attack on an Atlanta woman. His lawyers said DNA from another man matches not only that rape, but two others that were committed later.
Clark, 45, was convicted and sentenced to life plus 20 years after a woman identified him as the man who carjacked her in Atlanta and raped her. But recent DNA tests showed that Clark did not commit the crime. [/end teaser]
I know he was not in jail for murder, but this is similar enough. Another reason to abolish the death penalty. I wonder how many people were to be freed today if they lived long enough for DNA to clear them.
Although Mexico outlaws the death penalty, there are thousands of incidents where a village has taken upon its own hands to mete out the justice of death, as there are the corrupt police who also take it upon themselves to execute the final penalty.
So okay Mexico is better.
And then there's those recidivists who kill again, rape again and how many have they killed ? More than 1000 in Canada ?
Nobody's collating those statistics. Because a society that lets those recidivists out to kill again are just as responsible and damned.
A Society gives the govt the right to execute, and so another society allows the death of its own citizens by early release of life sentences that run only 20 years.
I'm not sure either society escapes the judgement of the damned.
So okay Mexico is better.
And then there's those recidivists who kill again, rape again and how many have they killed ? More than 1000 in Canada ?
Nobody's collating those statistics. Because a society that lets those recidivists out to kill again are just as responsible and damned.
A Society gives the govt the right to execute, and so another society allows the death of its own citizens by early release of life sentences that run only 20 years.
I'm not sure either society escapes the judgement of the damned.
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Yep, there's the rub.
Probably about one in twenty at least.
It doesn't make sense, especially when it costs much more to execute a man than it does to warehouse him for his entire life.
At the same time, I think our policy of refusing to send killers back to the States without a garauntee of no execution is nuts.
The Americans have a system of justice much like our own, and the accused get a fair trial. Their crimes were commited in the USA, and it is simply not our place to second-guess what is American justice.
At the same time, we could not incarcerate a murderer from the USA, until he commited a crime in Canada. The Supreme Court now will not let us deport anyone who might be executed.
This is insanity.
Remember Charlie Ng?
no1important said:
Yep, there's the rub.
Probably about one in twenty at least.
It doesn't make sense, especially when it costs much more to execute a man than it does to warehouse him for his entire life.
At the same time, I think our policy of refusing to send killers back to the States without a garauntee of no execution is nuts.
The Americans have a system of justice much like our own, and the accused get a fair trial. Their crimes were commited in the USA, and it is simply not our place to second-guess what is American justice.
At the same time, we could not incarcerate a murderer from the USA, until he commited a crime in Canada. The Supreme Court now will not let us deport anyone who might be executed.
This is insanity.
Remember Charlie Ng?
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Only if they have the resources to afford a good lawyer, otherwise they fry.
So it should be. We do not practice barbaric practices like America. We are also not the only country that refuses to extradite people to America(or any other country that has death penalty) for a death sentance. In that reguard we are a lot more civilized.
I remember Charles NG quite well. I do not believe in death penalty and never ever will. Life in prison is the better option. Like you say 1 in 20 could be innocent and that is 1 too many. Even one in a trillion tenfold is one to many.
Only if they have the resources to afford a good lawyer, otherwise they fry.
So it should be. We do not practice barbaric practices like America. We are also not the only country that refuses to extradite people to America(or any other country that has death penalty) for a death sentance. In that reguard we are a lot more civilized.
I remember Charles NG quite well. I do not believe in death penalty and never ever will. Life in prison is the better option. Like you say 1 in 20 could be innocent and that is 1 too many. Even one in a trillion tenfold is one to many.
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I do not agree with the death penalty the way it was administered in Canada, nor the way it works in the USA either.
The criticisms you make of the American justice system also apply to Canada.
If Charlie Ng had been around today, he would be free in Canada. This is a guy that tortured babies to death in front of their bound mothers, and filmed it for his enjoyment later.
Guys like this NEED to be executed.
My proposal..........mass murderers get three trials, for three different offences, in front of three different juries, with three different judges, sort of triple jeopardy.......on their third conviction they are executed immediately.
Bye Bye Clifford Olsen
Bye Bye Robert Picton
There are some crimes that are so evil that society should not even tolerate the existence of the perpetrators.
BTW, for the sake of debate, what would your solution be to the Charlie Ng problem? I mean if he were in Canada now.
no1important said:
I do not agree with the death penalty the way it was administered in Canada, nor the way it works in the USA either.
The criticisms you make of the American justice system also apply to Canada.
If Charlie Ng had been around today, he would be free in Canada. This is a guy that tortured babies to death in front of their bound mothers, and filmed it for his enjoyment later.
Guys like this NEED to be executed.
My proposal..........mass murderers get three trials, for three different offences, in front of three different juries, with three different judges, sort of triple jeopardy.......on their third conviction they are executed immediately.
Bye Bye Clifford Olsen
Bye Bye Robert Picton
There are some crimes that are so evil that society should not even tolerate the existence of the perpetrators.
BTW, for the sake of debate, what would your solution be to the Charlie Ng problem? I mean if he were in Canada now.
RE: US Executes 1000th pe
I don't agree with the death penalty, sure it keeps the really bad ones from re-offending, but so would keeping them in jail for the rest of their natural life.
Canada needs to have a true LIFE SENTENCE, not one that means x number of years.
Yes, you may be right, but does that mean that killing an innocent man or mentally challenged individual who can't control their actions, makes it better.
Also I don't think that it is right to kill a man because he "might" and I must stress the "might", re-offend. I do not believe in fate, or a planned future. I truly believe that we have free-will therefore if someone has paid their debt they should be released.
I don't agree with the death penalty, sure it keeps the really bad ones from re-offending, but so would keeping them in jail for the rest of their natural life.
Canada needs to have a true LIFE SENTENCE, not one that means x number of years.
jimmoyer said:
Yes, you may be right, but does that mean that killing an innocent man or mentally challenged individual who can't control their actions, makes it better.
Also I don't think that it is right to kill a man because he "might" and I must stress the "might", re-offend. I do not believe in fate, or a planned future. I truly believe that we have free-will therefore if someone has paid their debt they should be released.
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It was just this year the US Supreme court banned the executions of minors. I guess old "W" was not too happy about that, after all when he was governor of Texas he was executing people left right and centre. What a barbarian.
It was just this year the US Supreme court banned the executions of minors. I guess old "W" was not too happy about that, after all when he was governor of Texas he was executing people left right and centre. What a barbarian.
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You never addressed my question:
If Charles Ng was in Canada today, and you were Justice Minister, what would you do?
Forget about seeking garauntees from the USA they would not execute him, they would (understandably) not give them.
no1important said:
You never addressed my question:
If Charles Ng was in Canada today, and you were Justice Minister, what would you do?
Forget about seeking garauntees from the USA they would not execute him, they would (understandably) not give them.
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I would not send him to the US to be executed. I would work very hard to send him to the US provided they would not execute him, if that failed I would try to deport him elsewhere.
I would not send him to the US to be executed. I would work very hard to send him to the US provided they would not execute him, if that failed I would try to deport him elsewhere.
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Sorry, No1.
No one else would take him, I promise. Why would they?
The choice would be send him to the USA to be executed, or set him loose on Canadian citizens.
This is probably the only time I have ever agreed with a decision made by Alan Rock.
no1important said:
Sorry, No1.
No one else would take him, I promise. Why would they?
The choice would be send him to the USA to be executed, or set him loose on Canadian citizens.
This is probably the only time I have ever agreed with a decision made by Alan Rock.
Ah yes another state sanctioned murder set for tonight.
Williams claim of founding Crips is disputed
State high court denies plea to stay execution
Governor's decision on clemency is last real hope for Williams
Arnie denied clemency as well. Bastard.
Williams claim of founding Crips is disputed
State high court denies plea to stay execution
Governor's decision on clemency is last real hope for Williams
Arnie denied clemency as well. Bastard.
no1important said:
This guy co-founded the Crips, responsible for hundreds, if not thousands of murders over the last 30 years.
He blew four people to death with a shotgun, not in a fit of rage, but in two separate instances, both robberies.
I have problems with the death penalty as well, but you could pick a better case to champion.
Colpy said:
there is NO VALID reason for a death penalty .....and the humanoid must evolve beyond that. It is too close to eye for an eye , blah blah to even be considered semi civilized.
The law must remain HUMAINE.......as that is what separates the barbarians from civilization.
( why does one get the impression that arnie kind of "enjoyed" this decision. ??? It is that POWER thing again. He married power, he performed in POWER type movies and is now in POWER in politics. )
these blokes are just about as hardened as the criminals now. But heck........this should get him a few brownie points with the bushgang.
Ocean Breeze said:
My big problem with the death penalty is the chance of executing an innocent person.
Also important, IMHO, is the idea that a person is capable of a mistake, and that person might still have a contribution to make.
However, when it comes to mass killers that do their evil over and over, I say they gotta go.
There are some acts that society can not tolerate in any way. There are some people so evil that their existence should not be tolerated.
The only problem is proving their guilt beyond ANY doubt.
Colpy said:
well..........at some point , one has to ask.....what makes some people so dysfunctional?? One CANNOT just label them "evil" and write them off. IF nothing more ,many ......can be part of forensic pyshiatric research. We need to learn more about why people end up this way and work towards PREVENTION.
(IMHO)