Clearing smog has led to 'global brightening'

Frappuccino Dibs

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The efforts of industrialised nations to cut smog pollution has had a bizarre side-effect - accelerating global warming.

New data show that after years of getting smoggier, our skies have become clearer since about 1990. And one effect has been to allow more solar radiation to reach the surface of the Earth.

The phenomenon known as “global dimming” has gone into reverse, according to research by Martin Wild at the Institute for Atmospheric and Climate Science in Zurich, Switzerland, and been replaced by “global brightening” (Science. vol 308, p 847). “There is no longer a dimming to counteract the greenhouse effect,” he told New Scientist.

Climate scientists say there have been two critical influences on global air temperatures in the past half-century. First, rising atmospheric concentrations of heat-trapping gases like carbon dioxide have warmed the Earth, by preventing more of the heat that reaches the Earth’s surface from escaping back into space.

But a parallel increase in smog particles has shaded the planet, partly offsetting the warming. Past studies have shown an increase in average aerosol particle levels in the atmosphere between 1960 and 1990 that were sufficient to reduce solar radiation reaching the Earth’s surface by about 5%.

The net effect of these two conflicting influences has been a warming of almost 0.5°C since 1960. But the rising levels of aerosols have led to concern that they might be masking greater underlying warming. And now the mask appears to be coming off.

Satellite corroboration
Wild’s new data - assembled from measurements of surface radiation made round the globe - show a widespread reduction in aerosols in the atmosphere since around 1990. His findings are corroborated by satellite data reported by Rachel Pinker, a meteorologist at the University of Maryland at College Park, US, in the same issue of Science (v 308, p 850).

The main cause of the global brightening, says Wild, is the clean-up of air pollution, especially in Europe and the former Soviet Union, where industrial decline has also played a role.

But the same trend emerges in data from North America, Australasia, Japan and, most recently, in China, where smogs have been reduced despite swift industrialisation. The exceptions, where dimming continues to worsen, are mainly in South Asia and Africa.

So should the world hurriedly reinstate smogs to stop global warming from accelerating? Probably not, as Wild points out that carbon dioxide lasts in the atmosphere for a century or more, whereas aerosols typically hang around for only a few days. So as carbon dioxide accumulates in future decades, we would need ever-thicker smogs to counteract it.

And another Science paper reports that current smog levels kill half a million people worldwide each year from heart and lung diseases.
 

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In 'light' (no pun intended) of recent events, I find it awfully hard to believe that smog is lessening, here in North America, anyway. I would have said the opposite.
 

mrmom2

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Sounds like bullshit to me ever been to the west coast in the summer ? the smog there has gotten worse same for LA hell we even have smog here now .That report is a joke :wink:
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Clearing smog has led

It's a different kind of smog...what we see now stays concentrated in the lower atmosphere for longer and, since our cities keep growing and we keep adding more and more cars, we have more local smog problems.

There was something on Quirks and Quarks regarding global dimming about a month ago. I can't remember all the details, but the upshot was that local smog problems and global dimming are only nominally related.
 
mrmom2 said:
Sounds like bullshit to me ever been to the west coast in the summer ? the smog there has gotten worse same for LA hell we even have smog here now .That report is a joke :wink:

Don't let science get in the way of an opinion! :roll:

I have been travelling to American cities for 25 years on a very regular basis, I could have owned a home in LA for all the hotels I have paid for.

Again, how can we count the ways that science shows dramatic and clear improvement but the environuts want to deny it. It is amazing how much clearer US cities are to fly into.

LA is dramatically improved over the last 15 years. The only City that to me seems worse off is Houston, but the results are mixed. Everything EXCEPT high pollen and other particulates are very much improved, it just doesn't look like it.

Gleb
 

mrmom2

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First off I'm no enviro nut 8O Second if you love the US so much why don't you go join an US board. I'm sick of you guy's that move to the states from here than bad mouth us :roll: Do you really know whats going on down there?Have fun in your high tech police state :wink:
 
mrmom2 said:
First off I'm no enviro nut 8O Second if you love the US so much why don't you go join an US board. I'm sick of you guy's that move to the states from here than bad mouth us :roll: Do you really know whats going on down there?Have fun in your high tech police state :wink:

Yawn.... Whatever. I lived in Canada for 46 years, and I now KNOW that the media and government in Canada are liars. I KNOW that they were deliberately manipulating, and Canadians should know. It was the same in preThatcher Britain and it was a shocker to many that they were lied to and manipulated by socialists for so long. How else do you end up with an awesome guy like Blair as head of the Labour Party, that's like Ralphy as the head of the NDP.
My mother waited for 2 years for a hip replacement, that's criminal, not just inconvenient. I won't allow her to go to Canadian doctors only, and her care has dramatically improved once I flew her down here a couple of times and shamed the Canadian robots. They can do it properly up there, they are simply beaten down by a socialist system such that they had to be shocked into really being a Doctor again.

I have to laugh, the Canadian papers write stories about Doctors who move BACK to Canada but say little about this intriguing fact. In Utah there are, hold on to your hockey shorts, 400 Canadian Doctors in our tiny State alone. It's sad, just stop controlling and taxing everything into submission and even I would buy a cottage in the Kootney's.

Also, has it ever occurred to you that if there are so many guys badmouthing Canada, it may be for a reason and that your entire belief structure might be skewed?? In psychology it's called the Stockholm syndrome, where the abused bond to their abusers as a means to endure violence.

Gleb
 

LadyC

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gftrcoach said:
My mother waited for 2 years for a hip replacement, that's criminal, not just inconvenient. I won't allow her to go to Canadian doctors only, and her care has dramatically improved once I flew her down here a couple of times and shamed the Canadian robots. They can do it properly up there, they are simply beaten down by a socialist system such that they had to be shocked into really being a Doctor again.
My Dad had a hip replacement 8 years ago... he had about an 18 month wait for that one. He could have had it done sooner, but he was trying to time it around his annual trip to Maui and golf season. Last summer he had that hip redone with hardly any wait at all. He had his other hip replaced a month ago after about 3 months.

His doctors were hardly what I'd call robots.
 

Frappuccino Dibs

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gftrcoach:

I'm shocked when anybody lays a distinction on a specific government for being 'liars and manipulators'. It may be news to you, but all governents are like that.

In fact you've got to admire dictatorships in some ways. At least you know they're shitting on everybody, unlike the cloak and dagger democratic societies we love to hail.

Anyway, I hate politics, so lets get back to the subject ;-)