#1May 9th, 2005
What the f..k is really going on here? 
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North Korea is the Real Threat
What the f..k is really going on here? --
#3
Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 9th, 2005
Just a nut job with Nukes and missiles Rev and he seems quite willing to hold the world hostage with them Thank the US and Pakistan for that oh aren't they allies One country hands over the material and the other technique to build them 
Thank the US and Pakistan for that oh aren't they allies One country hands over the material and the other technique to build them #4
RE: North Korea is the Re
May 9th, 2005
I wouldn't worry to much about Kim and his nukes. He has very few nukes (likely more than, probably no more than eight)and, while he is obviously insane, he has shown no signs of being suicidal. He knows damned well that if he fires a nuke anywhere that North Korea will quickly become a smoking hole in the ground.
He has a long record of using the nuclear threat as a negotiating tactic for increased aid...the more nukes, the more negotiating clout.
This whole thing could likely have been avoided if the US would have negotiated like diplomats instead of trying to bully and threaten. John Bolton holds a lot of responsibility for the positioning of things right now.
He has a long record of using the nuclear threat as a negotiating tactic for increased aid...the more nukes, the more negotiating clout.
This whole thing could likely have been avoided if the US would have negotiated like diplomats instead of trying to bully and threaten. John Bolton holds a lot of responsibility for the positioning of things right now.
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May 9th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
Are you implying that the mighty USA could be wrong about how they deal with other country... I wouldn't worry to much about Kim and his nukes. He has very few nukes (likely more than, probably no more than eight)and, while he is obviously insane, he has shown no signs of being suicidal. He knows damned well that if he fires a nuke anywhere that North Korea will quickly become a smoking hole in the ground.
He has a long record of using the nuclear threat as a negotiating tactic for increased aid...the more nukes, the more negotiating clout.
This whole thing could likely have been avoided if the US would have negotiated like diplomats instead of trying to bully and threaten. John Bolton holds a lot of responsibility for the positioning of things right now.
...shocking really... 
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May 9th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2
A threat to who? China, South Korea, Japan? Certainly not to me in Toronto. I mean, I don't want to sound like I don't care but really when are these regions going to sovle these problems on their own. Western interference is the cause of the problem on the Korean Pen. The US backing of S Korea and the fall of the USSR has shifted power back to S. Korea, so N. Korea is only trying to even up.The media is silent are politicians are silent and a confirmed nut job is getting ready to test a nuke
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Really why can't N. Korea have nuclear weapons? Who says who can or cannot have them. I mean, why should the only country to use them in combat (not once, but twice) decide who can have them?
Same with Iraq and Iran, why can't they have nuclear weapons, but their neighbour Israel can. It makes no sense.
I'm not advocating everyone get them, but I've yet to hear a logical arguement why a certain country can produce them and another can't.
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Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 9th, 2005
Not your problem till one misses the states and lands in Canada or one goes off over there and we get the radioactive fallout here Its a world problem DasFX 
#8
RE: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 9th, 2005
How about nobody has nuclear weapons period. One less thing to worry about. If any of you have seen "The Fog of War" that tells you pretty well from the horses mouth how close we came back then.
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RE: North Korea is the Re
May 9th, 2005
Indeed, North Korea is the real threat as they actually HAVE WMD's! But the US is prone to attack those that are basically helpless and who possess vast reserves of oil that MAY get WMD's sometime in the distant future. See?
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Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 10th, 2005
What makes North Korea different, is that 'Dear Leader' Kim Jong-Il is a certifiable nutjob and sociopath. I would think that a nuke in the hand of a guy like that would make anybody nervous.
A well-aimed rifle bullet would solve many problems.
A well-aimed rifle bullet would solve many problems.
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May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2
That's the point, N Korea can't hit the States. Most of the smaller nuclear powers only have short range missiles. Really, only Russia could ever hit the US or Canada from their own country.Not your problem till one misses the states and lands in Canada or one goes off over there and we get the radioactive fallout here Its a world problem DasFX
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May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by snoproblem
Yes, and the leaders of all the other Nuclear powers all have a good sensible head on their shoulder, like GWB!What makes North Korea different, is that 'Dear Leader' Kim Jong-Il is a certifiable nutjob and sociopath. I would think that a nuke in the hand of a guy like that would make anybody nervous.
A well-aimed rifle bullet would solve many problems.
#14
Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 10th, 2005
Thats funny you say that DasFX were did you hear that main stream media maybe ?their missile tech has got better and better and their very close to dropping one on North America. But thats not the point they set one off and the fallout will contaminate the world with more radiation. Being in canada won't matter there will be no place to hide
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RE: North Korea is the Re
May 10th, 2005
They only have one or two missiles that even have an off chance of reaching North America, Mom. They won't use them because they would ensuring their own destruction.
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May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
They only have one or two missiles that even have an off chance of reaching North America, Mom. They won't use them because they would ensuring their own destruction.
I wouldn't put it past Kimmy to do something. Castro was willing to sacrifice the whole of Cuba for the Commi cause, why not Kimmy?
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Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 10th, 2005
Actually Castro was extremely reluctant to allow the USSR to put their missiles in Cuba. The thing is that the US embargo left him with no way to make money and he was afraid of a full-scale US invasion, so he allowed the missiles in exchange for aid and access to Russian markets and hoped for the best.
Trying to compare Cuba/Castro and North Korea/Kim is silly though. The situations are completely different and the leaders are completely different.
Trying to compare Cuba/Castro and North Korea/Kim is silly though. The situations are completely different and the leaders are completely different.
#18
RE: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 10th, 2005
No it is not silly. They may be "different" but so is every other commi cult that starts. The similarities are good enough. They are communists and they hate America, and they have nukes.
You can't repaint Castro the way you want to see him.
Castro was more than willing to sacrifice Cuba, and this is plainly known, and mentioned fully in a documentary I watched on him, on WQLN, a few weeks ago. The guy was not only willing to have Cuba destroyed but start Armageddon also. He's a Commi, and I expect nothing less from him and his kind.
Therefore I trust Korea to do the same.
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A link for those interested.
You can't repaint Castro the way you want to see him.
Castro was more than willing to sacrifice Cuba, and this is plainly known, and mentioned fully in a documentary I watched on him, on WQLN, a few weeks ago. The guy was not only willing to have Cuba destroyed but start Armageddon also. He's a Commi, and I expect nothing less from him and his kind.
Therefore I trust Korea to do the same.
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A link for those interested.
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Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 10th, 2005
I love how people in this forum just believe whatever the media tells them How do you know how many nukes he has ?The intelligence services of the world have no clue .They have enough nuclear material over there for 50 nukes or better .The reactor has been shut down .Why?because there done turning what they had into plutonium .Who really knows what that nut job is up to .One thing for sure is no one on this board knows so quit thinking you do You only know what the bull**** media wants you to know
How do you know how many nukes he has ?The intelligence services of the world have no clue .They have enough nuclear material over there for 50 nukes or better .The reactor has been shut down .Why?because there done turning what they had into plutonium .Who really knows what that nut job is up to .One thing for sure is no one on this board knows so quit thinking you do You only know what the bull**** media wants you to know #20
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May 10th, 2005
Did the documentary you watched include papers that have been released since the collapse of the former USSR? The fact that Castro did not want Soviet missiles in Cuba was documented by the Soviets themselves, Jay.
Your fear of communism is comical. Your belief that they want to destroy the world if they can't take it over has more place in a 1950's science fiction movie than in any modern political discussion.
Your fear of communism is comical. Your belief that they want to destroy the world if they can't take it over has more place in a 1950's science fiction movie than in any modern political discussion.
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May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2
Oh yes, and I guess you are getting your information first hand from Pyongyang. You have some source embedded in the North Korea Missle program or perhaps you are friends with someone in the Pentagon?I love how people in this forum just believe whatever the media tells them
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Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 10th, 2005
I didn't say i knew what was really going on over there Das 
It's know it alls like you that are telling everybody whats going on :P You believe all the propaganda coming out of the mass media do you?I don't believe any of it there selling the goverments agenda
It's know it alls like you that are telling everybody whats going on :P You believe all the propaganda coming out of the mass media do you?I don't believe any of it there selling the goverments agenda #23
RE: North Korea is the Re
May 10th, 2005
Most of the responsible media around the world is reporting that North Korea has between 2 and 8 nuclear weapons. The number they say have the capability of reaching North America is someplace between 1 in development and 2 ready to go.
Those are pretty wide ranges with pretty wide-ranging implications, but they are the numbers that various intelligence services and the IAEA use.
Those are pretty wide ranges with pretty wide-ranging implications, but they are the numbers that various intelligence services and the IAEA use.
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May 10th, 2005
And we all know how reliable those organizations are IE WMD in Iraq :P
IE WMD in Iraq :P #25
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May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Reverend Blair
I don't remember if they discussed his reluctance to the missiles. That doesn't really matter, since he must have agreed to it at some time....Did the documentary you watched include papers that have been released since the collapse of the former USSR? The fact that Castro did not want Soviet missiles in Cuba was documented by the Soviets themselves, Jay.
Your fear of communism is comical. Your belief that they want to destroy the world if they can't take it over has more place in a 1950's science fiction movie than in any modern political discussion.
My fear of communism might seem comical to a sympathizer, but I'm not convinced this threat has died and all is well with the world again.
"Your belief that they want to destroy the world if they can't take it over..."
I never said that.
An interesting artical I found
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"Fidel stuck to three basic themes in his talks, in the four hours that he dominated. He talked about the betrayal of Cuba by the Soviets. His statements about the United States were muted. One could see that his "charm offensive" dictated some of what he would say about us. But about the Soviets, he did not hold back. He lambasted Kruschev for having forced the missiles upon them. The Cuban position is that they never wanted the missiles. And then in a dramatic and humiliating fashion, to decide to remove them without consulting the Cuban Government at all. When Castro spoke, the passion of his anger was genuine. This was not theater. You could see it--he shook a little bit. His voice increased and his timbre changed. This man is still angry, forty years later, at the Soviets.
The second great theme was that he was the defender of Cuban sovereignty, and that, of course, is linked to this sense of betrayal. There some of the most interesting admissions were made. Fidel explained why he was willing to risk escalating this crisis by shooting down American planes without Soviet approval. On October 26 and later in November, angry at the state of the crisis and its resolution, Fidel ordered his own men to use their anti-aircraft guns against American planes that were flying low-level reconnaissance missions. The Soviets did not ask him to do this. The Soviets did not want him to do this. In fact, the Soviets sent an envoy just to tell him to stop. But, it did not matter because Fidel felt himself the embodiment of Cuban sovereignty and he was going to do whatever he pleased to show that Cuba would not be stepped on by either super power. This was a constant theme in our discussions. "
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May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2
No, actually I am not basing my opinion on any media source. Actually, working as a scientist and my understanding of nuclear physics, plus my understanding of jet propulsion and aerodynamics has lead me to believe that North Korea is incapable of launching a nuclear war head from it's own territory that can reach the North American continent.I didn't say i knew what was really going on over there Das
I watch and read the news; I didn't say I live by it.
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Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 10th, 2005
Sorry Das you could have let on you know a fair bit about the subject Well this redneck fellar from the sticks will shut up and listen then #28
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May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by DasFX
Lets hope he isn't hiding any WMD? No, .... working as a scientist and my understanding of nuclear physics, plus my understanding of jet propulsion and aerodynamics...
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Re: North Korea is the Real Threat
May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by mrmom2
Sorry, I hope I didn't come across rude or condescending. It was not my intention.
Truthfully though, nobody really knows the true state of the North Korean missile program, however based on the what I know, the likelihood of them having 1 or 2 missiles capable of arriving here is unlikely. At best they could maybe hit Alaska and that would be a long shot.
In addition, the lack of testing (and it is pretty hard to hid those) also leads me to believe that they aren't as far along as people think. Finally, the facilities needed to house these types of weapons (long range) are large and would have been picked up by satellite. Again, it is hard to hide, especially with Japan and US South Korea next door.
Being communist doesn't mean you are crazy. I seriously doubt the government of North Korea wants to be obliterated. They would get one shot and then they would be toast.
Don't base your Kim Jong Il opinion on that Team America movie; I think it is slightly skewed!
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May 10th, 2005Quote: Originally Posted by Jay
No, I don't work in that field. I'm more in medical research to save people's lives.Quote: Originally Posted by DasFXLets hope he isn't hiding any WMD?No, .... working as a scientist and my understanding of nuclear physics, plus my understanding of jet propulsion and aerodynamics...
I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea, I've already stated that I'm of East Indian decent and now I'm a scientist. I don't need a free extended vacation to Eastern Cuba.
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