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peapod
#31

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
If you look at the big media mergers that have happened in the last decade Ithink you will find answers to this question. Walt disney, viacom bertelsmann and a few others, there are probally 4 or 5 that are taking over the media and the culture.
These mergers are a BIG opportunity for them to sell all their products spread out between different companies, but its all owned by a parent company. The whole enviroment is commericalized and they want your childern, and they have the MONEY and the power to do it. Take a look at what these few big mergers own.

I agree that there is a absense of parenting, but we are bombarded day in and day out by the media, by what we should wear, what we should look it, what we should be doing, and what we should think.
I grew up living a huckeberry fin life, what you caught in the somass river was way more important that what you were wearing. But peer pressure comes into play when you reach your teens. Everyone wants to fit in and be a part of, that has not changed. If you have been raised to be a true individual, you get through this phase.
Personally I don't like what I see with sex these days, its cheap, vulgar, and common, with no conquences what so ever. When I say conquences I mean spiritually.
 
peapod
#32

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
If you look at the big media mergers that have happened in the last decade Ithink you will find answers to this question. Walt disney, viacom bertelsmann and a few others, there are probally 4 or 5 that are taking over the media and the culture.
These mergers are a BIG opportunity for them to sell all their products spread out between different companies, but its all owned by a parent company. The whole enviroment is commericalized and they want your childern, and they have the MONEY and the power to do it. Take a look at what these few big mergers own.

I agree that there is a absense of parenting, but we are bombarded day in and day out by the media, by what we should wear, what we should look it, what we should be doing, and what we should think.
I grew up living a huckeberry fin life, what you caught in the somass river was way more important that what you were wearing. But peer pressure comes into play when you reach your teens. Everyone wants to fit in and be a part of, that has not changed. If you have been raised to be a true individual, you get through this phase.
Personally I don't like what I see with sex these days, its cheap, vulgar, and common, with no conquences what so ever. When I say conquences I mean spiritually.
 
peapod
#33

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
If you look at the big media mergers that have happened in the last decade Ithink you will find answers to this question. Walt disney, viacom bertelsmann and a few others, there are probally 4 or 5 that are taking over the media and the culture.
These mergers are a BIG opportunity for them to sell all their products spread out between different companies, but its all owned by a parent company. The whole enviroment is commericalized and they want your childern, and they have the MONEY and the power to do it. Take a look at what these few big mergers own.

I agree that there is a absense of parenting, but we are bombarded day in and day out by the media, by what we should wear, what we should look it, what we should be doing, and what we should think.
I grew up living a huckeberry fin life, what you caught in the somass river was way more important that what you were wearing. But peer pressure comes into play when you reach your teens. Everyone wants to fit in and be a part of, that has not changed. If you have been raised to be a true individual, you get through this phase.
Personally I don't like what I see with sex these days, its cheap, vulgar, and common, with no conquences what so ever. When I say conquences I mean spiritually.
 
Twila
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#34

RE: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
So what about in the 16th and 17th century Europe where "woman" were married off at first menses around age 12?
Average life expectancy was 40yrs.
 
Twila
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#35

RE: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
So what about in the 16th and 17th century Europe where "woman" were married off at first menses around age 12?
Average life expectancy was 40yrs.
 
Twila
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#36

RE: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
So what about in the 16th and 17th century Europe where "woman" were married off at first menses around age 12?
Average life expectancy was 40yrs.
 
galianomama
#37

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
[/quote]with no conquences what so ever. When I say conquences I mean spiritually.
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i agree with you on this one pea, and it is very disturbing. i think my kids have more of a handle on it then being into 'one nighters', but still overall you have to wonder.

what can be done in society to change this? being raised by parents who are there, no matter what, and aware of what is going on in their lives.

 
galianomama
#38

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
[/quote]with no conquences what so ever. When I say conquences I mean spiritually.
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i agree with you on this one pea, and it is very disturbing. i think my kids have more of a handle on it then being into 'one nighters', but still overall you have to wonder.

what can be done in society to change this? being raised by parents who are there, no matter what, and aware of what is going on in their lives.

 
galianomama
#39

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
[/quote]with no conquences what so ever. When I say conquences I mean spiritually.
Quote:


i agree with you on this one pea, and it is very disturbing. i think my kids have more of a handle on it then being into 'one nighters', but still overall you have to wonder.

what can be done in society to change this? being raised by parents who are there, no matter what, and aware of what is going on in their lives.

 
peapod
#40

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
We live longer now, life is easier, food clothing and shelter are available to most of us in the western world. We get to have the time to explore ourselves spiritually.
Sorry mama I was only a teenager, I never had any of my own :P But I can still remember what it was like to be one, in fact some people think I still act like one.
Jesus just because you get your period does not mean you are ready to have sex. I believe the culture by way of the media is creating a "evolution" in childern, to bad, childhood is such a great place to be.
Twila have you read the "red tent" by Anita Diamant I think you will enjoy it.
 
peapod
#41

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
We live longer now, life is easier, food clothing and shelter are available to most of us in the western world. We get to have the time to explore ourselves spiritually.
Sorry mama I was only a teenager, I never had any of my own :P But I can still remember what it was like to be one, in fact some people think I still act like one.
Jesus just because you get your period does not mean you are ready to have sex. I believe the culture by way of the media is creating a "evolution" in childern, to bad, childhood is such a great place to be.
Twila have you read the "red tent" by Anita Diamant I think you will enjoy it.
 
peapod
#42

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
We live longer now, life is easier, food clothing and shelter are available to most of us in the western world. We get to have the time to explore ourselves spiritually.
Sorry mama I was only a teenager, I never had any of my own :P But I can still remember what it was like to be one, in fact some people think I still act like one.
Jesus just because you get your period does not mean you are ready to have sex. I believe the culture by way of the media is creating a "evolution" in childern, to bad, childhood is such a great place to be.
Twila have you read the "red tent" by Anita Diamant I think you will enjoy it.
 
Gonzo
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#43

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
With the media, if people decided to act as individuals, they wouldn't have any power. Some people only buy organic food, cloaths not made in sweat shops, take the bus or bike instead of buying that big SUV, and get by fine. Are we all drones? It's up to society to decide what they want. Everyone complains that we are destroying the environment, then they get into there gas guzzler and drive 10 miles to pick up a loaf of bread. People need to raise there kids and use there heads.
BTW, I do think the media sucks. I'm the one who posted how I hate having to watch comercials in the theatres. And I do think the government has to act to protect the environment. But society can act too by not buying what television tells them to, and to clean up there act.
 
Gonzo
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#44

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
With the media, if people decided to act as individuals, they wouldn't have any power. Some people only buy organic food, cloaths not made in sweat shops, take the bus or bike instead of buying that big SUV, and get by fine. Are we all drones? It's up to society to decide what they want. Everyone complains that we are destroying the environment, then they get into there gas guzzler and drive 10 miles to pick up a loaf of bread. People need to raise there kids and use there heads.
BTW, I do think the media sucks. I'm the one who posted how I hate having to watch comercials in the theatres. And I do think the government has to act to protect the environment. But society can act too by not buying what television tells them to, and to clean up there act.
 
Gonzo
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#45

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
With the media, if people decided to act as individuals, they wouldn't have any power. Some people only buy organic food, cloaths not made in sweat shops, take the bus or bike instead of buying that big SUV, and get by fine. Are we all drones? It's up to society to decide what they want. Everyone complains that we are destroying the environment, then they get into there gas guzzler and drive 10 miles to pick up a loaf of bread. People need to raise there kids and use there heads.
BTW, I do think the media sucks. I'm the one who posted how I hate having to watch comercials in the theatres. And I do think the government has to act to protect the environment. But society can act too by not buying what television tells them to, and to clean up there act.
 
peapod
#46

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
You know what is really fascinating, to re-read george orwell. He was a visionary to me. For instance the following quote

In December 1946, four months after U.S. publication of "Animal Farm," Orwell wrote in a letter to literary critic Dwight Macdonald: "If people think I am defending the status quo, that is, I think, because they have grown pessimistic and assume that there is no alternative except dictatorship or laissez-faire capitalism." He added: "What I was trying to say was, 'You can't have a revolution unless you make it for yourself; there is no such thing as a benevolent dictatorship.'"

What he says applies today in 2005.
 
peapod
#47

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
You know what is really fascinating, to re-read george orwell. He was a visionary to me. For instance the following quote

In December 1946, four months after U.S. publication of "Animal Farm," Orwell wrote in a letter to literary critic Dwight Macdonald: "If people think I am defending the status quo, that is, I think, because they have grown pessimistic and assume that there is no alternative except dictatorship or laissez-faire capitalism." He added: "What I was trying to say was, 'You can't have a revolution unless you make it for yourself; there is no such thing as a benevolent dictatorship.'"

What he says applies today in 2005.
 
peapod
#48

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
You know what is really fascinating, to re-read george orwell. He was a visionary to me. For instance the following quote

In December 1946, four months after U.S. publication of "Animal Farm," Orwell wrote in a letter to literary critic Dwight Macdonald: "If people think I am defending the status quo, that is, I think, because they have grown pessimistic and assume that there is no alternative except dictatorship or laissez-faire capitalism." He added: "What I was trying to say was, 'You can't have a revolution unless you make it for yourself; there is no such thing as a benevolent dictatorship.'"

What he says applies today in 2005.
 
Reverend Blair
#49

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
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But society can act too by not buying what television tells them to, and to clean up there act.

Good luck with that...we can't even get people to take part in Buy Nothing Day. One day without buying anything. All you have to do is buy before or wait a day...no big deal. Mention it and people look at you like you're nuts though. The idea of spending an entire day not being consumers is beyond them.

Girls entering puberty earlier has been tied to the use of bovine growth hormone in some studies done in the US, btw. There was an article on it in Utne Reader five or six years ago. I'm not sure how more study it has gotten, just that a Florida Fox affiliate fired two reporters for doing the story.
 
Reverend Blair
#50

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
Quote:

But society can act too by not buying what television tells them to, and to clean up there act.

Good luck with that...we can't even get people to take part in Buy Nothing Day. One day without buying anything. All you have to do is buy before or wait a day...no big deal. Mention it and people look at you like you're nuts though. The idea of spending an entire day not being consumers is beyond them.

Girls entering puberty earlier has been tied to the use of bovine growth hormone in some studies done in the US, btw. There was an article on it in Utne Reader five or six years ago. I'm not sure how more study it has gotten, just that a Florida Fox affiliate fired two reporters for doing the story.
 
Reverend Blair
#51

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
Quote:

But society can act too by not buying what television tells them to, and to clean up there act.

Good luck with that...we can't even get people to take part in Buy Nothing Day. One day without buying anything. All you have to do is buy before or wait a day...no big deal. Mention it and people look at you like you're nuts though. The idea of spending an entire day not being consumers is beyond them.

Girls entering puberty earlier has been tied to the use of bovine growth hormone in some studies done in the US, btw. There was an article on it in Utne Reader five or six years ago. I'm not sure how more study it has gotten, just that a Florida Fox affiliate fired two reporters for doing the story.
 
no1important
#52

RE: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
The problem is parents are to embarrassed to talk sex with their children.

This is the second or even third generation that has been raised by the TV. Thats where kids get their information from. They think cheating and having sex with whoever whenever is the norm. The TV has become the babysitter for many children.

Sex is nothing to be embarrassed about and everyone does it or has it in various forms whether they admit it or not. It is people like "W" and those "Quacks" on TV that make it sound dirty which it isn't. It is natural.

Schools should all have sex education and dispense free birth control as Teen agers do have sex. The religious right community is the reason this is not being done and its wrong.
 
no1important
#53

RE: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
The problem is parents are to embarrassed to talk sex with their children.

This is the second or even third generation that has been raised by the TV. Thats where kids get their information from. They think cheating and having sex with whoever whenever is the norm. The TV has become the babysitter for many children.

Sex is nothing to be embarrassed about and everyone does it or has it in various forms whether they admit it or not. It is people like "W" and those "Quacks" on TV that make it sound dirty which it isn't. It is natural.

Schools should all have sex education and dispense free birth control as Teen agers do have sex. The religious right community is the reason this is not being done and its wrong.
 
no1important
#54

RE: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
The problem is parents are to embarrassed to talk sex with their children.

This is the second or even third generation that has been raised by the TV. Thats where kids get their information from. They think cheating and having sex with whoever whenever is the norm. The TV has become the babysitter for many children.

Sex is nothing to be embarrassed about and everyone does it or has it in various forms whether they admit it or not. It is people like "W" and those "Quacks" on TV that make it sound dirty which it isn't. It is natural.

Schools should all have sex education and dispense free birth control as Teen agers do have sex. The religious right community is the reason this is not being done and its wrong.
 
Gonzo
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#55

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
I support buy nothing day. I try to get people on board but it's hard in a society obsesed with consuming. Remember the one year Earth Day was big? What happened? All I'm saying is that I see people complaining about the planet, there kids being fat, exposed to sexual imagery on T.V, and they blame everyone else; the government, the media. True those institutions have to make changes, but individuals can too.
My girlfriend watches Sex In the City. I would never let my kid (if I had one) watch that. How many sexual partners do those women have in one season! So if kids do get there sex education from t.v. it's a bad source. Thats why it should be taught in school. My girlfriend went to a catholic school and she knows alot of girls who had a child before 18. Catholic schools dont teach sex ed and look what happens to their students.
 
Gonzo
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#56

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
I support buy nothing day. I try to get people on board but it's hard in a society obsesed with consuming. Remember the one year Earth Day was big? What happened? All I'm saying is that I see people complaining about the planet, there kids being fat, exposed to sexual imagery on T.V, and they blame everyone else; the government, the media. True those institutions have to make changes, but individuals can too.
My girlfriend watches Sex In the City. I would never let my kid (if I had one) watch that. How many sexual partners do those women have in one season! So if kids do get there sex education from t.v. it's a bad source. Thats why it should be taught in school. My girlfriend went to a catholic school and she knows alot of girls who had a child before 18. Catholic schools dont teach sex ed and look what happens to their students.
 
Gonzo
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#57

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 12th, 2005
I support buy nothing day. I try to get people on board but it's hard in a society obsesed with consuming. Remember the one year Earth Day was big? What happened? All I'm saying is that I see people complaining about the planet, there kids being fat, exposed to sexual imagery on T.V, and they blame everyone else; the government, the media. True those institutions have to make changes, but individuals can too.
My girlfriend watches Sex In the City. I would never let my kid (if I had one) watch that. How many sexual partners do those women have in one season! So if kids do get there sex education from t.v. it's a bad source. Thats why it should be taught in school. My girlfriend went to a catholic school and she knows alot of girls who had a child before 18. Catholic schools dont teach sex ed and look what happens to their students.
 
Reverend Blair
#58

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 13th, 2005
Quote:

I support buy nothing day. I try to get people on board but it's hard in a society obsesed with consuming.

I know, it just drives me nuts. "What if I need cigarettes? What if I need gas?" Buy them the day before. You know how much you smoke and drive. It's really easy.

Quote:

Remember the one year Earth Day was big? What happened?

Bad timing. Environmentalism wasn't cool yet. If they started pushing it again now it might be a little bigger. Not much, but people with some spare time would drive their SUVs to the protest.

Quote:

My girlfriend watches Sex In the City.

I've been wanting to hop on the star of that show since she was in that Square Pegs show when I was young.

Quote:

My girlfriend went to a catholic school and she knows alot of girls who had a child before 18. Catholic schools dont teach sex ed and look what happens to their students.

I remember Catholic school. There were who ignored the Pope, and then there were the pregnant ones. My high school was pretty big, but I'll bet there were twenty girls who got pregnant in the four years I was there.

When I was grade eleven we were in Christian Ethics (they thought the name "Rabidly Insane Catechism" wasn't cool anymore) and the Brother who was teaching told us, "You don't have to try out your equipment before you get married, it will work." He was likely the only virgin in the room at that point.

Fortunately for me my brother got his girlfriend pregnant, so I figured out that it really wasn't that embarassing to buy a box of rubbers. After that it was party time.

You know that Frank Zappa song about Catholic girls? He wasn;t wrong.
 
Reverend Blair
#59

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 13th, 2005
Quote:

I support buy nothing day. I try to get people on board but it's hard in a society obsesed with consuming.

I know, it just drives me nuts. "What if I need cigarettes? What if I need gas?" Buy them the day before. You know how much you smoke and drive. It's really easy.

Quote:

Remember the one year Earth Day was big? What happened?

Bad timing. Environmentalism wasn't cool yet. If they started pushing it again now it might be a little bigger. Not much, but people with some spare time would drive their SUVs to the protest.

Quote:

My girlfriend watches Sex In the City.

I've been wanting to hop on the star of that show since she was in that Square Pegs show when I was young.

Quote:

My girlfriend went to a catholic school and she knows alot of girls who had a child before 18. Catholic schools dont teach sex ed and look what happens to their students.

I remember Catholic school. There were who ignored the Pope, and then there were the pregnant ones. My high school was pretty big, but I'll bet there were twenty girls who got pregnant in the four years I was there.

When I was grade eleven we were in Christian Ethics (they thought the name "Rabidly Insane Catechism" wasn't cool anymore) and the Brother who was teaching told us, "You don't have to try out your equipment before you get married, it will work." He was likely the only virgin in the room at that point.

Fortunately for me my brother got his girlfriend pregnant, so I figured out that it really wasn't that embarassing to buy a box of rubbers. After that it was party time.

You know that Frank Zappa song about Catholic girls? He wasn;t wrong.
 
Reverend Blair
#60

Re: Western Society And: SEX

Jan 13th, 2005
Quote:

I support buy nothing day. I try to get people on board but it's hard in a society obsesed with consuming.

I know, it just drives me nuts. "What if I need cigarettes? What if I need gas?" Buy them the day before. You know how much you smoke and drive. It's really easy.

Quote:

Remember the one year Earth Day was big? What happened?

Bad timing. Environmentalism wasn't cool yet. If they started pushing it again now it might be a little bigger. Not much, but people with some spare time would drive their SUVs to the protest.

Quote:

My girlfriend watches Sex In the City.

I've been wanting to hop on the star of that show since she was in that Square Pegs show when I was young.

Quote:

My girlfriend went to a catholic school and she knows alot of girls who had a child before 18. Catholic schools dont teach sex ed and look what happens to their students.

I remember Catholic school. There were who ignored the Pope, and then there were the pregnant ones. My high school was pretty big, but I'll bet there were twenty girls who got pregnant in the four years I was there.

When I was grade eleven we were in Christian Ethics (they thought the name "Rabidly Insane Catechism" wasn't cool anymore) and the Brother who was teaching told us, "You don't have to try out your equipment before you get married, it will work." He was likely the only virgin in the room at that point.

Fortunately for me my brother got his girlfriend pregnant, so I figured out that it really wasn't that embarassing to buy a box of rubbers. After that it was party time.

You know that Frank Zappa song about Catholic girls? He wasn;t wrong.
 

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