Bright Spark
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July 25th, 2004, 10:12 PM
OBL was undergoing dialysis in a Pakistan Military hospital while being visited by his friendly Saudi family and the CIA station chief.
Please refer to the links provided earlier... (which takes us to the discussion of Dueling Cut and Paste)
"the goal has never been to get Bin Laden"
No serious attempt has ever been made to catch Bin Laden. In late September and early October 2001, leaders of Pakistan's two Islamist parties negotiated Bin Laden's extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11. However, a US official said, significantly, that "casting our objectives too narrowly" risked "a premature collapse of the international effort if by some lucky chance Mr Bin Laden was captured".
The US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Myers, went so far as to say that "the goal has never been to get Bin Laden" (AP, April 5 2002). The whistleblowing FBI agent Robert Wright told ABC News (December 19 2002) that FBI headquarters wanted no arrests. And in November 2001 the US airforce complained it had had al-Qaida and Taliban leaders in its sights as many as 10 times over the previous six weeks, but had been unable to attack because they did not receive permission quickly enough (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). None of this compatible with the idea of a real, determined war on terrorism.
"Revealing the Lies" on 9/11 Perpetuates the "Big Lie"
University of Ottawa professor Michel Chossudovsky: The unfolding consensus is:"They knew but failed to act".This line of reasoning is appealing to many 9/11 critics and "Bush bashers" because it clearly places the blame on the Bush administration.
Yet in a bitter irony, the very process of revealing these lies and expressing public outrage has contributed to reinforcing the 9/11 cover-up.
"Revealing the lies" serves to present Al Qaeda as the genuine threat, as an "outside enemy", which threatens the security of America, when in fact Al Qaeda is a creation of the US intelligence apparatus.
This central proposition that Islamic terrorists were responsible for 9/11 serves to justify everything else including the Patriot Act, the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, the spiraling defense and homeland security budgets, the detention of thousands of people of Muslim faith on trumped up charges, the arrest and deportation to Guantanamo of alleged "enemy combatants", etc.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405E.html
Again who benefits?
We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."-- A desperate George W. Bush speaking before the UN General Assembly November 10, 2001
Those who most loudly disparage "conspiracy theory" are most often the ones with the least knowledge of the actual evidence.
Radio Free America interviews Canadian physicist Michael Elliot.
There has never been an independent inquiry in the events of 9/11. Despite two years of repeated attempts by the families of the victims of 9/11, there has never been an independent investigation of What Really Happened that day. Is there an Ongoing Coverup?
Both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took extraordinary steps to limit any investigation into the events of 9/11.
The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law, and the FBI is withholding the data from the airliner's flight recorders.
All of the steel from the Twin Towers was shipped out of the country before any investigation was held.
The media says that bin Laden carried out the 9/11 massacre from the caves of Afghanistan, yet after a supposedly "thorough" investigation, the FBI says they have not uncovered a single piece of paper that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot.
No evidence whatsoever has been offered that the attack was by bin Laden. Some are starting to ask: OsamaBinAsset?
7 of the supposed "hijackers" turned out to be alive and not even in the US on 9/11.
3 of the "hijackers" listed a US Navy base as their address on their drivers licences.
The Twin Towers didn't collapse, they exploded outwards; parts of the buildings were ejected as far as 70 m. before they began to fall, and the buildings' concrete was reduced to fine dust.
They fell at "free fall" speed. The speed of gravity with NO resistance from the concrete and steel from the floors below.
What really brought down the Twin Towers?
No steel structured skyscraper in history has collapsed due to fire.
The steel support columns in the sub-basement of the Twin Towers were melted, and five weeks later, were still pools of molten steel.
They say an airliner crashed into the Pentagon, but if so, why isn't there the debris of an airliner crash at the scene of the Pentagon Attack?
There's no airliner debris at the Pentagon, and the deep and focused damage to the building could not be from an airliner crash.
The FBI is withholding 2 videos that may show what really hit the Pentagon, and the photos from the DoD Pentagon security camera have been falsified.
The FBI and the NTSB are withholding everything:
Sources close to the investigation say the FBI is obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.
The only known videos that captured what hit in the Pentagon Attack (from the hotel and the gas station) have been seized and withheld by the FBI.
(The most sensitive and the highest survielled military base on the planet.)
The US Air Force is classifying everything:
The military radar tracking of the Flights is classified.
Details of the Air National Guard response and Air Force Stand down is classified.
There has been no official inquiry into the Insider Trading:
There was Prior Knowledge as someone was shorting options (Insider Trading) on American Airlines and United Airlines stock.
http://www.911review.org/
"Americans are being scammed." former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland
911 Tapes Tell Horror Of 9/11
* Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
* Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
* Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.
* [...]
* Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
Transcript of the Firefighters' Radio Log, 9/11/01
This is an extract from a fireman's transcription of the New York Times 9/11 firefighters' audio tape: 0959 Hours
* DISPATCHER: Manhattan to Field Comm., K. Manhattan to Field Comm.
* MARINE 6: Marine 6 to Manhattan.
* DISPATCHER: Standby. Manhattan to Field Comm. (tone alert) Manhattan to Field Comm.
* MARINE 6: Marine 6 to Manhattan, urgent.
* DISPATCHER: Marine 6.
* MARINE 6: Tower 2 has had a major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse surrounding the entire area.
* DISPATCHER: Marine 6 10-4, we were notified.
__________________________________________________ __
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.
We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building.
Van Romero, an explosives expert and former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at New Mexico Tech, said on Sept. 11, "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse."
The collapse of the structures resembled the controlled implosions used to demolish old structures and was "too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures," Romero told The Albuquerque Journal hours after the attack.
_______________________________________________
In an interview with broadcaster and author Alex Jones, Andreas von Bulow (former Minister of Technology in the German government which had supervision of the BND - German Intelligence) comments: "And, the firemen of New York, they were able to come to the floor where the fires were burning, and they said, the fire commander said he needed two teams, small, to fight these fires and then it’s finished. So the heat, it is impossible that the heat was as high as it has been written in the papers and in all the media."
Alex Jones, "And then, and then the feds declared that all firefighter tapes malfunctioned, turns out that wasn’t true; we’ve got copies of them. And it did say that the firefighters said the fires were out or almost out.
Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down
Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place.
In addition, Forbes says there were other peculiarities revolving around this unreported event, including:
1) Fiduciary employees trapped between the 90-97th floors of the South Tower told family members (via cell-phone calls) that they were hearing “bomb-like explosions” throughout the towers.
2) Video cameras positioned atop the World Trade Center which were used to feed daily images to local television stations were inexplicably inoperative that morning.
3) A Fiduciary employee who was on one of the lower floors and escaped immediately after the first (North) tower was struck, reported that he was amazed by the large number of FBI agents that were already on the streets surrounding the WTC complex only minutes after the initial strike.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/THO404A.html
German court acquits suspected terrorist
Paul Joseph Watson comments: All these 9/11 trials are collapsing because there's no evidence to suggest the 19 named (and at least 7 still alive) hijackers were behind the attack. There is no circumstantial link between those phantom hijackers and the suspects on trial.
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissin...43&sid=4697206
Operation Northwoods Revisited: Manufacturing an Enemy
It would be useful to review Operation Northwoods under which in 1962, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff put forth a proposal to secure American public support for a war on Cuba - "desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for military intervention."
Option 3 A.a: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanama Bay and blame Cuba.
Option 8: It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute to the United States...
a: An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to the CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
b: Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio station in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.
Option 9 b: On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume this proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.
US staged 9/11 attacks, German lawyer says
A former senior German cabinet minister is drawing huge crowds and stoking the fires of popular anti-Americanism with a book arguing that the US government mounted the September 11 attacks in a plot to win global domination.
Andreas von Bulow has gone further than Michael Meacher, Tony Blair's former environment minister, who was widely criticised for claiming that America knowingly failed to prevent the attacks.
The controversial book Mr von Bulow, 66, a former research minister in the German government, believes that September 11, when more than 3,000 people died, was staged to justify the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," Mr von Bulow told The Daily Telegraph at his home in Bonn. "They have hidden behind a veil of secrecy and destroyed the evidence - that they invented the story of 19 Muslims working within Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda - in order to hide the truth of their own covert operation.
"What I saw on September 11 was a perfectly executed act that could have happened only with the support of intelligence services, and whoever controlled it must have known could only bring harm to the Muslim world," he said.
'nuff said, it goes on and on... remember, the US desperately, NEEDS Al-qaeda and promotes them whenever possible.
Remember the good 'ol days when the Soviets were the bad guys - the source of all evil. The game is the same, only the names have changed.
OBL was undergoing dialysis in a Pakistan Military hospital while being visited by his friendly Saudi family and the CIA station chief.
Please refer to the links provided earlier... (which takes us to the discussion of Dueling Cut and Paste)
"the goal has never been to get Bin Laden"
No serious attempt has ever been made to catch Bin Laden. In late September and early October 2001, leaders of Pakistan's two Islamist parties negotiated Bin Laden's extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11. However, a US official said, significantly, that "casting our objectives too narrowly" risked "a premature collapse of the international effort if by some lucky chance Mr Bin Laden was captured".
The US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Myers, went so far as to say that "the goal has never been to get Bin Laden" (AP, April 5 2002). The whistleblowing FBI agent Robert Wright told ABC News (December 19 2002) that FBI headquarters wanted no arrests. And in November 2001 the US airforce complained it had had al-Qaida and Taliban leaders in its sights as many as 10 times over the previous six weeks, but had been unable to attack because they did not receive permission quickly enough (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). None of this compatible with the idea of a real, determined war on terrorism.
"Revealing the Lies" on 9/11 Perpetuates the "Big Lie"
University of Ottawa professor Michel Chossudovsky: The unfolding consensus is:"They knew but failed to act".This line of reasoning is appealing to many 9/11 critics and "Bush bashers" because it clearly places the blame on the Bush administration.
Yet in a bitter irony, the very process of revealing these lies and expressing public outrage has contributed to reinforcing the 9/11 cover-up.
"Revealing the lies" serves to present Al Qaeda as the genuine threat, as an "outside enemy", which threatens the security of America, when in fact Al Qaeda is a creation of the US intelligence apparatus.
This central proposition that Islamic terrorists were responsible for 9/11 serves to justify everything else including the Patriot Act, the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq, the spiraling defense and homeland security budgets, the detention of thousands of people of Muslim faith on trumped up charges, the arrest and deportation to Guantanamo of alleged "enemy combatants", etc.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405E.html
Again who benefits?
We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."-- A desperate George W. Bush speaking before the UN General Assembly November 10, 2001
Those who most loudly disparage "conspiracy theory" are most often the ones with the least knowledge of the actual evidence.
Radio Free America interviews Canadian physicist Michael Elliot.
There has never been an independent inquiry in the events of 9/11. Despite two years of repeated attempts by the families of the victims of 9/11, there has never been an independent investigation of What Really Happened that day. Is there an Ongoing Coverup?
Both President Bush and Vice-President Cheney took extraordinary steps to limit any investigation into the events of 9/11.
The NTSB never held inquiries into any of the 4 plane crashes, as required by law, and the FBI is withholding the data from the airliner's flight recorders.
All of the steel from the Twin Towers was shipped out of the country before any investigation was held.
The media says that bin Laden carried out the 9/11 massacre from the caves of Afghanistan, yet after a supposedly "thorough" investigation, the FBI says they have not uncovered a single piece of paper that mentioned any aspect of the Sept. 11 plot.
No evidence whatsoever has been offered that the attack was by bin Laden. Some are starting to ask: OsamaBinAsset?
7 of the supposed "hijackers" turned out to be alive and not even in the US on 9/11.
3 of the "hijackers" listed a US Navy base as their address on their drivers licences.
The Twin Towers didn't collapse, they exploded outwards; parts of the buildings were ejected as far as 70 m. before they began to fall, and the buildings' concrete was reduced to fine dust.
They fell at "free fall" speed. The speed of gravity with NO resistance from the concrete and steel from the floors below.
What really brought down the Twin Towers?
No steel structured skyscraper in history has collapsed due to fire.
The steel support columns in the sub-basement of the Twin Towers were melted, and five weeks later, were still pools of molten steel.
They say an airliner crashed into the Pentagon, but if so, why isn't there the debris of an airliner crash at the scene of the Pentagon Attack?
There's no airliner debris at the Pentagon, and the deep and focused damage to the building could not be from an airliner crash.
The FBI is withholding 2 videos that may show what really hit the Pentagon, and the photos from the DoD Pentagon security camera have been falsified.
The FBI and the NTSB are withholding everything:
Sources close to the investigation say the FBI is obstructing the NTSB review of the black box data.
The only known videos that captured what hit in the Pentagon Attack (from the hotel and the gas station) have been seized and withheld by the FBI.
(The most sensitive and the highest survielled military base on the planet.)
The US Air Force is classifying everything:
The military radar tracking of the Flights is classified.
Details of the Air National Guard response and Air Force Stand down is classified.
There has been no official inquiry into the Insider Trading:
There was Prior Knowledge as someone was shorting options (Insider Trading) on American Airlines and United Airlines stock.
http://www.911review.org/
"Americans are being scammed." former 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland
911 Tapes Tell Horror Of 9/11
* Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've just had another explosion.
* Official: Battalion 3 to dispatch, we've had additional explosion.
* Dispatcher: Received battalion command. Additional explosion.
* [...]
* Dispatcher: Battalion 5, be advised we're trying to contact Battalion 3 at this moment to report north tower just collapsed.
Transcript of the Firefighters' Radio Log, 9/11/01
This is an extract from a fireman's transcription of the New York Times 9/11 firefighters' audio tape: 0959 Hours
* DISPATCHER: Manhattan to Field Comm., K. Manhattan to Field Comm.
* MARINE 6: Marine 6 to Manhattan.
* DISPATCHER: Standby. Manhattan to Field Comm. (tone alert) Manhattan to Field Comm.
* MARINE 6: Marine 6 to Manhattan, urgent.
* DISPATCHER: Marine 6.
* MARINE 6: Tower 2 has had a major explosion and what appears to be a complete collapse surrounding the entire area.
* DISPATCHER: Marine 6 10-4, we were notified.
__________________________________________________ __
Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.
We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building.
Van Romero, an explosives expert and former director of the Energetic Materials Research and Testing Center at New Mexico Tech, said on Sept. 11, "My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse."
The collapse of the structures resembled the controlled implosions used to demolish old structures and was "too methodical to be a chance result of airplanes colliding with the structures," Romero told The Albuquerque Journal hours after the attack.
_______________________________________________
In an interview with broadcaster and author Alex Jones, Andreas von Bulow (former Minister of Technology in the German government which had supervision of the BND - German Intelligence) comments: "And, the firemen of New York, they were able to come to the floor where the fires were burning, and they said, the fire commander said he needed two teams, small, to fight these fires and then it’s finished. So the heat, it is impossible that the heat was as high as it has been written in the papers and in all the media."
Alex Jones, "And then, and then the feds declared that all firefighter tapes malfunctioned, turns out that wasn’t true; we’ve got copies of them. And it did say that the firefighters said the fires were out or almost out.
Pre-9/11 World Trade Center Power-Down
Did the World Trade Center towers undergo a deliberate “power-down” on the weekend prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks? According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place.
In addition, Forbes says there were other peculiarities revolving around this unreported event, including:
1) Fiduciary employees trapped between the 90-97th floors of the South Tower told family members (via cell-phone calls) that they were hearing “bomb-like explosions” throughout the towers.
2) Video cameras positioned atop the World Trade Center which were used to feed daily images to local television stations were inexplicably inoperative that morning.
3) A Fiduciary employee who was on one of the lower floors and escaped immediately after the first (North) tower was struck, reported that he was amazed by the large number of FBI agents that were already on the streets surrounding the WTC complex only minutes after the initial strike.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/THO404A.html
German court acquits suspected terrorist
Paul Joseph Watson comments: All these 9/11 trials are collapsing because there's no evidence to suggest the 19 named (and at least 7 still alive) hijackers were behind the attack. There is no circumstantial link between those phantom hijackers and the suspects on trial.
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissin...43&sid=4697206
Operation Northwoods Revisited: Manufacturing an Enemy
It would be useful to review Operation Northwoods under which in 1962, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff put forth a proposal to secure American public support for a war on Cuba - "desirable to use legitimate provocation as the basis for military intervention."
Option 3 A.a: We could blow up a US ship in Guantanama Bay and blame Cuba.
Option 8: It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute to the United States...
a: An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to the CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.
b: Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio station in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.
Option 9 b: On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumped by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eglin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume this proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared.
US staged 9/11 attacks, German lawyer says
A former senior German cabinet minister is drawing huge crowds and stoking the fires of popular anti-Americanism with a book arguing that the US government mounted the September 11 attacks in a plot to win global domination.
Andreas von Bulow has gone further than Michael Meacher, Tony Blair's former environment minister, who was widely criticised for claiming that America knowingly failed to prevent the attacks.
The controversial book Mr von Bulow, 66, a former research minister in the German government, believes that September 11, when more than 3,000 people died, was staged to justify the subsequent wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
"If what I say is right, the whole US government should end up behind bars," Mr von Bulow told The Daily Telegraph at his home in Bonn. "They have hidden behind a veil of secrecy and destroyed the evidence - that they invented the story of 19 Muslims working within Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda - in order to hide the truth of their own covert operation.
"What I saw on September 11 was a perfectly executed act that could have happened only with the support of intelligence services, and whoever controlled it must have known could only bring harm to the Muslim world," he said.
'nuff said, it goes on and on... remember, the US desperately, NEEDS Al-qaeda and promotes them whenever possible.
Remember the good 'ol days when the Soviets were the bad guys - the source of all evil. The game is the same, only the names have changed.
