Paris shooting: Live updates


Murphy
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Paris shooting: Live updates

What we know now:

About a dozen shots were heard on the Champs-Élysées, a main shopping area in Paris.
1 police officer has been killed. The shooter is also dead.
A French official said police officers were "deliberately targeted."
Prosecutors are looking at terror as a possible motive in this attack.

Paris shooter fired automatic weapon at police

The assailant in the Paris shooting “got out of the vehicle and shot at the police vehicle with an automatic weapon, killing one policeman instantly,” French Ministry of Interior Spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet told BFMTV, a CNN affiliate network in France.

The man “then ran away, managing to shoot and wound two other policemen. Other policemen engaged and shot and killed the attacker,” Brandet said.

The attack started around 9 p.m. local time in Paris, when a vehicle stopped next to a police vehicle stationed on the side of the road. Policemen were both inside and outside the vehicle. The shooter got out of his car and started firing at police, Brandet said on BFMTV.

The Interior Ministry said police are looking for potential accomplices.

Brandet said there are no police operations elsewhere in Paris outside of the Champs-Elysées.

The rest here. (And elsewhere on the Interwebs)

Paris shooting near Champs Elysées: Live updates - CNN.com (external - login to view)
 
captain morgan
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Holy crap... The French just can't seem to catch a break these days
 
B00Mer
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Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post

Holy crap... The French just can't seem to catch a break these days

Very sad.. 1 officer dead.. heartfelt condolences to his family.
 
Curious Cdn
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The French are on the front line, just like they were a 100 years ago.
 
Johnnny
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People see these attacks in which organizations like ISIS claim responsibility for these cowardly attacks...

Are Canadians wrong for wanting tighter immigration control for our country?

Is Trudeaus government so stupid that they need to do a study to figure out why people are Islamophobic?

Actually yes they are because he needed to travel the country to learn how to connect with regular Canadians...

Its like look what religion and the state equal out too. The recent Jakarta elections where conservative Muslims used blasphemy laws to ruin a non muslim running for office
 
Murphy
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Almost everyone who has never been in a conflict or disaster, never been shot at or bombed, etc. doesn't understand. When they are warned of the likely consequences of getting involved, the messenger is accused of not caring, being racist or being a hater.

It is unfortunate, but true. As has happened many times before, Europeans are re-learning the lesson.
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

Almost everyone who has never been in a conflict or disaster, never been shot at or bombed, etc. doesn't understand. When they are warned of the likely consequences of getting involved, the messenger is accused of not caring, being racist or being a hater.

It is unfortunate, but true. As has happened many times before, Europeans are re-learning the lesson.

Al-jazzera seems to think the Muslims will swing the French Election vote...

Just like in the Netherlands.
 
Murphy
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There is a sizable population of Muslims, but they have to be citizens and the husbands have to let their wives vote in many circumstances. Odd situation there.
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

There is a sizable population of Muslims, but they have to be citizens and the husbands have to let their wives vote in many circumstances. Odd situation there.

No, no .... by their actions not by their vote ...
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by MurphyView Post

There is a sizable population of Muslims, but they have to be citizens and the husbands have to let their wives vote in many circumstances. Odd situation there.

Thats why they say that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.
 
Vbeacher
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Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnnyView Post

Thats why they say that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried.

If the European governments were responding to the democratic will of the electorate they would stop all these migrants from coming into Europe, and expel most of those there now. Just as if the Canadian government gave a damn what the Canadian electorate thought or wanted they'd institute values screening for potential immigrants and refugees.
 
Johnnny
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Quote: Originally Posted by VbeacherView Post

If the European governments were responding to the democratic will of the electorate they would stop all these migrants from coming into Europe, and expel most of those there now. Just as if the Canadian government gave a damn what the Canadian electorate thought or wanted they'd institute values screening for potential immigrants and refugees.

I blame the welfare state mentality these countries have.... The bottom line is more tax payers
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by VbeacherView Post

If the European governments were responding to the democratic will of the electorate they would stop all these migrants from coming into Europe, and expel most of those there now. Just as if the Canadian government gave a damn what the Canadian electorate thought or wanted they'd institute values screening for potential immigrants and refugees.

For values of the Canadian electorate = Vbeacher.
 
Vbeacher
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

For values of the Canadian electorate = Vbeacher.

Yeah, pretty much. But we have had a couple of polls, by left wing organizations, both of which showed enormous support among Canadians for values screening. So this is clearly the will of the people.

Canada is one major incident away from demanding better screening. If we get an incident like happened in Paris, with a semi being driven over scores of people, Trudeau's resistance to the idea will collapse Liberal support.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by VbeacherView Post

Yeah, pretty much. But we have had a couple of polls, by left wing organizations, both of which showed enormous support among Canadians for values screening. So this is clearly the will of the people.

So, you think the job of Parliament and the PM is to do whatever the latest poll says?
 
Curious Cdn
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

So, you think the job of Parliament and the PM is to do whatever the latest poll says?

That's the Brit model, these days.
 
Vbeacher
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

So, you think the job of Parliament and the PM is to do whatever the latest poll says?

So you think democracy works best where the government ignores the will of the people? How's it working in Europe? You have socialist governments which have consistently sneered at demands to do something about migrations and that's given rise to far right parties across Europe. You have the same thing in the US, where governments ignored the population's resentment over illegal immigration, and they wound up turning to the only guy who said he'd do something about it.

To quote Frum again If liberals say only fascists will protect the borders then the public will hire fascists to protect the borders.

Australia's Conservatives are obviously aware of this.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by VbeacherView Post

So you think democracy works best where the government ignores the will of the people? How's it working in Europe? You have socialist governments which have consistently sneered at demands to do something about migrations and that's given rise to far right parties across Europe. You have the same thing in the US, where governments ignored the population's resentment over illegal immigration, and they wound up turning to the only guy who said he'd do something about it.

To quote Frum again If liberals say only fascists will protect the borders then the public will hire fascists to protect the borders.

Coulda just said "Yes."
 
Vbeacher
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Coulda just said "Yes."

You coulda just said you don't believe in democracy and the people should shut up and do as they're told.
 
Tecumsehsbones
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Quote: Originally Posted by VbeacherView Post

You coulda just said you don't believe in democracy and the people should shut up and do as they're told.

Poor cupcake.

Let's pretend if the polls were saying something you don't like, you'd be standing foursquare for the duty of the government to do what's right, not what's popular, mmm-kay?
 
darkbeaver
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Quote: Originally Posted by VbeacherView Post

You coulda just said you don't believe in democracy and the people should shut up and do as they're told.

It is important to believe in democrasy if we expect one to appear.

First we should secure the freedom of money, eh. When will its rights be recognised by the UN? eh
 
Murphy
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First came the invasion of the giant ants from space! Ants are very social, and also use slave insects, except in the case of the giant space ants, they used humans!

Money disappeared. Those of us that were strong enough to continue living, were sent to work underground in massive ant farm complexes. They were scattered all over the earth. Rebel or become too sick to work and you were devoured on the spot by one of the worker ants.

People were naked, but considering the work that was done, humanity didn't look so bad in the all together. No more puffy, fat, sweaty humans sending out for two extra large pizzas and a six pack! The fat ones were eaten or died off quickly.

Where was I? Oh yes, there was a shooting in Paris earlier today, but no giant ants...yet!

 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Poor cupcake.

Let's pretend if the polls were saying something you don't like, you'd be standing foursquare for the duty of the government to do what's right, not what's popular, mmm-kay?

The biggest difference is that there is a multi-year delay in when the gvt decides to act on the poll-du-jour.

Fact is, if those polls are/were conducted objectively (and properly) and represent issue(s) that are of significant concern, the gvt will act on them solely as a means to get elected/re-elected.

That said, to a degree, we are governing by polls.
 
spaminator
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Jinentonix
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

So, you think the job of Parliament and the PM is to do whatever the latest poll says?

NO, his job is to do what's best for the country and it's people. Not everyone else but. Unless of course he's not planning on getting re-elected.
For example, back when Mulroney was PM three quarters of the population were dead-set against the original FTA. Mulroney went against the will of the people and ultimately caused the destruction of the federal Progressive Conservatives. You can get away with ignoring a plurality, but when you ignore a clear majority in a matter the citizens feel is extremely important, you risk political suicide.
 
Vbeacher
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Quote: Originally Posted by TecumsehsbonesView Post

Poor cupcake.

Let's pretend if the polls were saying something you don't like, you'd be standing foursquare for the duty of the government to do what's right, not what's popular, mmm-kay?

But the polls ARE calling on government to do what's right. People don't want their societies swamped by foreigners who don't speak the language and who have an entirely different view, often hostile, of how societies ought to be ordered. Guarding the border is what's right.

Quote: Originally Posted by captain morganView Post


Fact is, if those polls are/were conducted objectively (and properly) and represent issue(s) that are of significant concern, the gvt will act on them solely as a means to get elected/re-elected.

The polls have been pretty damned consistent for years. But why should government care if all political parties adhere to the same groupthink on things like immigration - which is the case in Canada. Since all political parties embrace open immigration, and the media almost unanimously supports open immigration, they need not fear what the people think or want or say.

Of course, since most political elections in Europe are done by proportional rep, that wound up giving rise to extreme right wing parties who WOULD do what the people wanted, just as it gave rise to Donald Trump in the US. No political party would do anything about an uncontrolled border, until he came along and he said he'd damn well do it. That was why he got elected.
 
Murphy
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If the Euro governments don't listen to their citizens, we will see people taking matters into their own hands. It's near the boiling point in some countries now.
 

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