No More FREE Health Care for Albertans

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Albertans to pay ‘directly’ for health care, Prentice says in pre-budget TV address



EDMONTON - Premier Jim Prentice said Tuesday Albertans must start paying “directly” for health care so the province can get “off the energy revenue roller-coaster.”

In a televised address two days before Finance Minister Robin Campbell tables the 2015-16 budget, Prentice repeated his pledge to cut government staffing costs but scaled back plans to cut departmental spending.

Alberta will be “holding the line on government expenditures” for the next three years, he said. That amounts to a four-per-cent cut in the coming fiscal year, down from nine-per-cent across-the-board cuts announced five weeks ago.

“Holding the line on spending in a growing province is truly a cut,” Prentice said. “We also need to get our program expenditures off the energy-revenue roller-coaster.

“We will be asking Albertans to begin to contribute directly to the costs of the health system. This revenue will start small, but it will grow over three years.”

The proposal comes as plunging oil prices force Alberta to confront a $7-billion revenue shortfall.

Prentice did not elaborate Tuesday but has previously said new health premiums would likely be progressive — the more you earn, the more you pay — and will be taken directly from Alberta families through the income tax system. Employers will not pay.

The old Alberta Health premiums, cancelled in 2009, were flat rate levies for families ($1,056 a year) or individuals ($528 a year). Employers paid some or all of that cost for many Albertans.

Prentice again said he will not introduce a sales tax, and made no mention of corporate tax hikes or royalty rate increases, both of which he has previously ruled out. Changes to Alberta’s 10-per-cent flat tax remain on the table.

The civil service will be cut.

“Compared to the Canadian average, Alberta spends approximately $1,300 more per capita on programs and services, and more than half of these costs are from salaries alone,” Prentice said. “We will honour contracts for our employees. But as contracts expire, we need to seriously examine how we structure those contracts.”

Prentice also introduced his 10-year plan. The upshot: By 2019, Alberta will save 50 per cent of its energy revenues.

In a televised response, interim Liberal Leader David Swann said there is no way to justify more service cuts or heavier burdens on hardworking Albertans.

“The premier wanted us to look in the mirror and reflect on how we got here,” Swann said. “Many of us have. And we saw that it is not our fault.”

Wildrose leader Heather Forsyth panned the proposed health premium and said, “no society has ever taxed its way to prosperity.

“Let’s be honest, it’s a tax,” Forsyth said. “Albertans do not want their pockets picked.”

NDP Leader Rachel Notley said the proposal is “nothing more than a waiting room tax.

“At a time when Albertans are worried about their jobs, Jim Prentice wants them to pay an extra tax, out of their own pocket, for health care,” Notley said. “The government’s own survey shows Albertans want to see corporations pay their fair share, but the PCs are refusing to cancel their corporate tax giveaways.

“Jim Prentice is ignoring them.”

Prentice and Campbell will embark on a series of four province-wide telephone town halls to discuss the 10-year-plan and the budget. Two will be held Wednesday and two more Monday.


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“We will be asking Albertans to begin to contribute directly to the costs of the health system. This revenue will start small, but it will grow over three years.”


User fees.
 

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“We will be asking Albertans to begin to contribute directly to the costs of the health system. This revenue will start small, but it will grow over three years.”


User fees.

They need Co-Pays..

Say Petro's everyone is bitching on his Facebook page, I added this;

"Personally I think your should have gone with a flat co-pay vs user fees based on a %. $10 for a doctors visit, $25 for urgent care, and $50 for emergency. It will stop the abuse of people sitting in the waiting room with a headache. Hopefully these folks opposed to your plan, you know the welfare bums and Easterners may do us all a good turn and leave Alberta. Good job, you have my vote."

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One of the comments on his Facebook urged people to vote WildRose, and somebody replied;

"Wildrose eh.....???...the lake of fire bigot party...the same party that was fined 17 thousand dollars by the CITY for wrong doing...the same party that wants to deny certain groups their rights...the same party that wants USA style Govt..the same party that wants people to pay for their own hospital care...it goes on and on.."

I think I may have to vote WildRose :lol:
 

petros

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Everything will be fine. Volume will quickly gobble up the effects of dropping the $100bbl deal with OPEC. The profit is the same on two bbls as it is on one artificially inflated bbl.


No biggie.
 

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I'm not worried about the O&G side of things.. Given some time, the geopolitics will settle down and the price will adjust North somewhat.

In the meantime, this is a great opportunity for the province to start living within it's means. Alberta does not always have to be the biggest pre capita spender in every area each year
 

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I'm not worried about the O&G side of things.. Given some time, the geopolitics will settle down and the price will adjust North somewhat.

In the meantime, this is a great opportunity for the province to start living within it's means. Alberta does not always have to be the biggest pre capita spender in every area each year

If infrastructure spending drops then you know there is trouble. This is not the case so no worries.

Nah, if it's gonna be low, it's gotta be harmonized. Otherwise the baritone and the bass sound like crap.

Which is fine. They can't do the sharps and flats anyway.
 

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Looks like more taxes to me with little focus on the spending side. Pretty much what I expected from our socialist Alberta PCs.
 

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I wish they would just privatize the whole dam Health Care System.. you want coverage, go to Blue Cross or something like that..

The way the USA used to be, before Obamacare screwed everyone up, doubling and tripling everyone's premium to pay for the welfare bums.
 

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I wish they would just privatize the whole dam Health Care System.. you want coverage, go to Blue Cross or something like that..

You wouldn't get 5% of Canadians to agree with you so maybe you should leave. It's funny though that our health care system was one of the reasons you claimed you came back to Canada. Perhaps you should pick one side of the fence and stick to it.
 

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You wouldn't get 5% of Canadians to agree with you..

I don't need 5% of Canadians, I need 50% of Albertans.

I was paying $360/month for health care.. when they decided to change the price to $1200/month under ObamaCare, I left the USA.

When Obama is gone, and Obamacare gone.. I will move back.

When I lived in Alberta before I paid $80/month, when I returned now they don't let anyone pay?? That is crazy. They need to bring back the monthly premiums at the very least. That will help balance the budget.

In Canada health care is really never free, it comes out of taxes.. even though the term widly used is "Free Healthcare" it's not really Free now is it?
 
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Nope. That's what common sense told me. Increases in taxes and little to no decrease in expenditures sounds like somebody loves government. As I've alluded to before, I'm not surprised you favour this approach.

Wow, no decrease in expenditures you say?.. I never realized that you were in cahoots with the prov finance minister.

PS - Is 'Common Sense' the name of your meth dealer?

I wish they would just privatize the whole dam Health Care System.. you want coverage, go to Blue Cross or something like that..


You were responding to one those folks that are 'entitled' to everything,, They often mistakenly believe that the healthcare system is free and there is no private elements whatsoever... A real socialist utopia it is
 

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I don't need 5% of Canadians, I need 50% of Albertans.

I was paying $360/month for health care.. when they decided to change the price to $1200/month under ObamaCare, I left the USA.

When Obama is gone, and Obamacare gone.. I will move back.

When I lived in Alberta before I paid $80/month, when I returned now they don't let anyone pay?? That is crazy. They need to bring back the monthly premiums at the very least. That will help balance the budget.

In Canada health care is really never free, it comes out of taxes.. even though the term widly used is "Free Healthcare" it's not really Free now is it?

Clearly somebody needs a lesson in the Canada health act, not to mention government finance. If you believe health care cost you $80, clearly you don't understand how taxes are gathered and spent.

Hopefully Obamacare ends sooner rather than later. We don't need Canadians of convenience who are only interested in being here for the entitlements