The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun

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The NRA is wrong: Owning a gun is far more likely to harm you than protect you.

The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun

Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association issued a passionate call to arms last year, painting a bleak picture of a dystopian America on the brink of collapse:

We know, in the world that surrounds us, there are terrorists and home invaders and drug cartels and car-jackers and knock-out gamers and rapers, haters, campus killers, airport killers, shopping-mall killers, road-rage killers, and killers who scheme to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids, or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse the society that sustains us all.

LaPierre’s central message: Owning a gun is the solution. The world is a scary place. There are bad guys everywhere threatening you and your family, and the only thing they’re afraid of is a gun in your hands.

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Tragically, a record number of Americans subscribe to some version of this mythology, with 63 percent (67 percent of men polled and 58 percent of women) believing that guns truly do make them safer. The public’s confidence in firearms, however, is woefully misguided: The evidence overwhelmingly shows that guns leave everybody less safe, including their owners.

A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate. It found an extremely strong direct relationship between the number of firearms and firearm deaths. The paper concludes: “The current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.” This finding is bolstered by several previous studies that have revealed a significant link between gun ownership and firearm-related deaths. This international comparison is especially harrowing for women and children, who die from gun violence in America at far higher rates than in other countries.

Behind such horrifying statistics are numerous heartbreaking tragedies, such as Zina Daniel, a woman from Illinois who was killed by her abusive ex-husband, or Caroline Sparks, who was only 2 when her 5-year-old brother accidently killed her with his Crickett rifle.

If we examine data from within the United States, the odds aren’t any better for gun owners. The most recent study examining the relationship between firearms and homicide rates on a state level, published last April, found a significant positive relationship between gun ownership and overall homicide levels. Using data from 1981–2010 and the best firearm ownership proxy to date, the study found that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there was a 1.1 percent increase in the firearm homicide rate and a 0.7 percent increase in the total homicide rate. This was after controlling for factors such as poverty, unemployment, income inequality, alcohol consumption, and nonhomicide violent crime. Further, the firearm ownership rate had no statistically significant impact on nonfirearm homicides, meaning there was no detectable substitution effect. That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide. These results are supported by a host of previous studies that illustrate that guns increase the rate of homicides.

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Family members who have lost loved ones to gun violence gather with members of Congress during a press conference on Dec. 10, 2014, in Washington.
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The evidence against firearm ownership becomes even stronger when suicides and accidents are included in the analysis—guns make both much more likely and more fatal. There can be nothing closer to a consensus in the gun debate than this point. Indeed, every single case-control study ever conducted in the United States has found that gun ownership is a strong risk factor for suicide, even after adjusting for aggregate-level measures of suicidality such as mental illness, alcoholism, poverty, and so on.

One might accept that firearms are dangerous and that they substantially elevate the risk of homicide, suicide, and fatal accidents, but still believe that policies regulating gun ownership are ineffective—criminals, after all, won’t follow them. However, another recent study from May of 2013 analyzed the impact of state firearm laws on firearm-related fatalities. It found that the most gun-restrictive states have significantly fewer firearm fatalities than the states with the least restrictive laws. The results are in line with previous academic studies tackling the same question.

These findings are further supported by a case study examining the impact of a 2007 Missouri decision to repeal its permit-to-purchase handgun licensing law. The research concluded that the repeal was associated with a 16 percent increase in annual murder rates, indicating that state gun control laws have a significant impact on the homicide rate.

Suppose a criminal has just broken into your house brandishing a firearm. You need to protect yourself and your family. Wouldn’t anyone feel safer owning a gun? This is the kind of narrative propagated by gun advocates in defense of firearm ownership. It preys on our fear. Yet, the annual per capita risk of death during a home invasion is 0.0000002, which, for all intents and purposes, is zero.

Despite the astronomical odds against being killed, this fear of home invasion often drives people like Becca Campbell of Ferguson, Missouri, to gun ownership. This past November, Campbell was riding home in a car with her boyfriend after purchasing a gun, preparing for the unrest expected to follow the grand jury decision about whether to pursue criminal charges against the policeman who killed Michael Brown. She joked that “we’re ready for Ferguson,” waving the gun. Distracted, the boyfriend ran into the car ahead of them, and the gun fired, killing Campbell.

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Steven King helps a woman shop for a handgun for home defense on Nov. 12, 2014, in Bridgeton, Missouri.
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Moving from state-level analysis to the household or individual, the risks for gun owners become even more apparent. A recent meta-analysis of 16 studies examined the relationship between firearms and gun deaths. Gun ownership doubled the risk of homicide and tripled the risk of suicide. This research is bolstered by a national survey that found that a gun in the home was far more likely to be used to threaten a family member or intimate partner than to be used in self-defense.

Gun advocates may counter that this doesn’t reveal the entire picture. After all, case studies of these fatal gun incidents can’t capture the benefits that widespread defensive gun use bestows on society. However, despite the NRA’s mantra that there are millions of defensive gun uses every year, empirical data reveals that DGUs are actually extremely rare. Criminal uses of firearms far outnumber legal defensive uses. The evidence shows that there may be fewer than even 3,000 DGUs annually. In comparison, there are 30,000 gun deaths annually, and many more injuries and shattered lives. The costs of gun ownership unequivocally outweigh the benefits.

In light of the overwhelming evidence that guns are a public health threat, gun advocates often retreat to an “it could never happen to me” mentality. This worldview is tragically mistaken. Consider the case of Veronica Dunnachie. She was, by many gun advocates’ definition, a good gal with a gun. A strident voice for gun rights, she was an open carry advocate, dedicated to expanding the unlicensed open carrying of firearms. In Texas, open carry is currently restricted to long guns; she pushed to include handguns. She frequently attended rallies and protests organized by Open Carry Tarrant County (an offshoot of Open Carry Texas). In a domestic dispute on Dec. 10, she allegedly shot and killed her husband and stepdaughter. Horrified, Dunnachie called a friend, telling him she “had just done something bad” and, at his urging, checked herself into a nearby mental health clinic.

Good guy with a gun myth: Guns increase the risk of homicide, accidents, suicide.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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It's shocking that we even need studies for this, but ok....
Of course they need studies for this. How else can they use invalid assumptions and tortured statistics to reach a foreordained conclusion?


A study from October 2013 analyzed data from 27 developed nations to examine the impact of firearm prevalence on the mortality rate. It found an extremely strong direct relationship between the number of firearms and firearm deaths. The paper concludes: “The current study debunks the widely quoted hypothesis that guns make a nation safer.” This finding is bolstered by several previous studies that have revealed a significant link between gun ownership and firearm-related deaths. This international comparison is especially harrowing for women and children, who die from gun violence in America at far higher rates than in other countries.
A study by whom? Could it possibly be an anti-gun group? Funny how the article says nothing about the methodology, enit?

Behind such horrifying statistics are numerous heartbreaking tragedies, such as Zina Daniel, a woman from Illinois who was killed by her abusive ex-husband, or Caroline Sparks, who was only 2 when her 5-year-old brother accidently killed her with his Crickett rifle.
Aaaaand. . . wheel out the anecdotes.

If we examine data from within the United States, the odds aren’t any better for gun owners.
Are "we" examining the data, or is the article making conclusory statements without explaining its data or methodology?

[quote[The most recent study examining the relationship between firearms and homicide rates on a state level, published last April, found a significant positive relationship between gun ownership and overall homicide levels. Using data from 1981–2010 and the best firearm ownership proxy to date, the study found that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there was a 1.1 percent increase in the firearm homicide rate and a 0.7 percent increase in the total homicide rate. This was after controlling for factors such as poverty, unemployment, income inequality, alcohol consumption, and nonhomicide violent crime. Further, the firearm ownership rate had no statistically significant impact on nonfirearm homicides, meaning there was no detectable substitution effect. That is, in the absence of guns, would-be criminals are not switching to knives or some other weapons to carry out homicide. These results are supported by a host of previous studies that illustrate that guns increase the rate of homicides.[/quote]
So, they're saying Utah (high gun ownership) has a higher homicide rate than Massachusetts or Maryland (the closest thing possible to complete gun bans)? Um. . . bovine excrement, to put it politely.

The evidence against firearm ownership becomes even stronger when suicides and accidents are included in the analysis—guns make both much more likely and more fatal. There can be nothing closer to a consensus in the gun debate than this point. Indeed, every single case-control study ever conducted in the United States has found that gun ownership is a strong risk factor for suicide, even after adjusting for aggregate-level measures of suicidality such as mental illness, alcoholism, poverty, and so on.
Do you think people have a right to commit suicide, mentalfloss?

One might accept that firearms are dangerous and that they substantially elevate the risk of homicide, suicide, and fatal accidents, but still believe that policies regulating gun ownership are ineffective—criminals, after all, won’t follow them. However, another recent study from May of 2013 analyzed the impact of state firearm laws on firearm-related fatalities. It found that the most gun-restrictive states have significantly fewer firearm fatalities than the states with the least restrictive laws. The results are in line with previous academic studies tackling the same question.

These findings are further supported by a case study examining the impact of a 2007 Missouri decision to repeal its permit-to-purchase handgun licensing law. The research concluded that the repeal was associated with a 16 percent increase in annual murder rates, indicating that state gun control laws have a significant impact on the homicide rate.
Links? Or just trust you?

Suppose a criminal has just broken into your house brandishing a firearm. You need to protect yourself and your family. Wouldn’t anyone feel safer owning a gun? This is the kind of narrative propagated by gun advocates in defense of firearm ownership. It preys on our fear. Yet, the annual per capita risk of death during a home invasion is 0.0000002, which, for all intents and purposes, is zero.

Despite the astronomical odds against being killed, this fear of home invasion often drives people like Becca Campbell of Ferguson, Missouri, to gun ownership. This past November, Campbell was riding home in a car with her boyfriend after purchasing a gun, preparing for the unrest expected to follow the grand jury decision about whether to pursue criminal charges against the policeman who killed Michael Brown. She joked that “we’re ready for Ferguson,” waving the gun. Distracted, the boyfriend ran into the car ahead of them, and the gun fired, killing Campbell.
If the odds against being killed by a criminal are "astronomical," why do the anti-gunners whine about the roughly 11,000 gun homicides in the U.S. each year? Aren't you actually arguing that there's no good reason to ban guns, seeing as how the odds against being killed by a criminal are "astronomical"?

Moving from state-level analysis to the household or individual, the risks for gun owners become even more apparent. A recent meta-analysis of 16 studies examined the relationship between firearms and gun deaths. Gun ownership doubled the risk of homicide and tripled the risk of suicide. This research is bolstered by a national survey that found that a gun in the home was far more likely to be used to threaten a family member or intimate partner than to be used in self-defense.

Gun advocates may counter that this doesn’t reveal the entire picture. After all, case studies of these fatal gun incidents can’t capture the benefits that widespread defensive gun use bestows on society. However, despite the NRA’s mantra that there are millions of defensive gun uses every year, empirical data reveals that DGUs are actually extremely rare. Criminal uses of firearms far outnumber legal defensive uses. The evidence shows that there may be fewer than even 3,000 DGUs annually. In comparison, there are 30,000 gun deaths annually, and many more injuries and shattered lives. The costs of gun ownership unequivocally outweigh the benefits.
That's funny. The "empirical data" from other studies puts the figure for DGUs between 650,000 and 2,000,000 per year. Could it be that the article is using a highly restrictive definition of DGU to bolster its conclusion?

Nah, that would be dishonest. Can't spot any agenda here.

In light of the overwhelming evidence that guns are a public health threat, gun advocates often retreat to an “it could never happen to me” mentality. This worldview is tragically mistaken. Consider the case of Veronica Dunnachie. She was, by many gun advocates’ definition, a good gal with a gun. A strident voice for gun rights, she was an open carry advocate, dedicated to expanding the unlicensed open carrying of firearms. In Texas, open carry is currently restricted to long guns; she pushed to include handguns. She frequently attended rallies and protests organized by Open Carry Tarrant County (an offshoot of Open Carry Texas). In a domestic dispute on Dec. 10, she allegedly shot and killed her husband and stepdaughter. Horrified, Dunnachie called a friend, telling him she “had just done something bad” and, at his urging, checked herself into a nearby mental health clinic.
And since they've already argued that the odds against being killed by a gun are "astronomical," they're forced to rely on gruesome anecdotes, because they've said themselves the statistics show your odds against being killed by a criminal are, and one last time I quote, "astronomical."

Do you think you could get a quality upgrade in your propaganda, mentalfloss? Like maybe an article that doesn't argue against itself? Or possibly one that reviews data objectively, instead of starting with a conclusion and cherry-picking data to support it?

I mean, c'mon, this is tripe.
 

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Rather over simplistic to say guns are the problem. There are many other factors that make the US a dangerous place, one being a culture that breeds psychotics and places psychopaths in both politics and economics on a pedestal. Any country born of violent revolution and the genocide of its indigenous people and who is a constant state of war is destined to end violently.
 

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Lies, lies and damned lies.

How stupid do you have to be to swallow this stuff?

First of all, these slime, these anti-liberty goose-stepping pseudo-intellectual dimwits have NO respect for the reader, as they immediately pull the standard con of the anti-gun scum.

FIREARMS deaths.

Yeah well, if there were no rocks there would be no rock deaths.

If there was no water, no one would drown.

If you want to make a legitimate point, you need to prove that widespread firearms ownership increases the OVERALL murder and/or death rate. Otherwise you have absolutely undercut your point.
 
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Colpy

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"Using data from 1981–2010 and the best firearm ownership proxy to date, the study found that for every 1 percent increase in gun ownership, there was a 1.1 percent increase in the firearm homicide rate and a 0.7 percent increase in the total homicide rate."

The is easily disproven. In fact, it is a blatant lie.

The simple fact is that, since 1981, gun control laws in the United States have become much lighter (with the exception of the Brady Bill) There is now civilian concealed carry laws in every state. The AR 15 semi-auto version of the military M16/M4, is the best selling rifle in the USA by far. Handgun sales just keep breaking records............

The murder rate in 1981 was 9.8 per 100,000

The murder rate in 2012 was 4.7 per 100,000

Game set match

This "study" is a wonderful illustration of how to lie to a population with the aim of supporting an agenda.

Anti-gun organizations do this all the time.

"The evidence against firearm ownership becomes even stronger when suicides and accidents are included in the analysis—guns make both much more likely and more fatal. There can be nothing closer to a consensus in the gun debate than this point."
BULLSHYTE.

Yes people die in accidents.

600 plus a year in the USA, due to firearms..

36,000 poisoning deaths.

34,000 motor vehicle deaths

27,000 deaths from falls.

Getting the point?

Oh, and if guns cause suicide, why are the US and Canadian suicide rates identical?

I love the last line in the quote, when you're going to lie....lie BIG!

These people are scum.

Oh, btw 450,000 deaths in the USA caused by tobacco every year.


 

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I personally don't place any faith in an opinion piece that refers to 'the myth of....'

It's ridiculous that the author would even condescend to provide this info to the general public when it's clearly a document intended to preach to the already converted

Rather over simplistic to say guns are the problem. There are many other factors that make the US a dangerous place, one being a culture that breeds psychotics and places psychopaths in both politics and economics on a pedestal. Any country born of violent revolution and the genocide of its indigenous people and who is a constant state of war is destined to end violently.

The US a dangerous place, eh?

Greyhound killer believed man he beheaded was an alien - Manitoba - CBC News
Luka Magnotta is convicted of first-degree murder | Toronto Star

You were saying?

Lies, lies and damned lies.

The expression is: 'Lies, damned lies and statistics'
 

DaSleeper

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tsk tsk Colpy.......confusing a progressive with facts....;-)

Actually I think the OP is just someone who has swallowed the coolaid

Reminds me of the study by Kooky Wendy.....in Canada
 

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tsk tsk Colpy.......confusing a progressive with facts....;-)

Actually I think the OP is just someone who has swallowed the coolaid

Reminds me of the study by Kooky Wendy.....in Canada
Or swallowed something cuz Justine told him to.
 

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Of course they need studies for this. How else can they use invalid assumptions and tortured statistics to reach a foreordained conclusion?

your data and methodology to arrive at this summation, YOUR apparent "foreordained conclusion", is missing...

A study by whom? Could it possibly be an anti-gun group? Funny how the article says nothing about the methodology, enit?

the article provides a link to PubMed (and the study abstract)... from there you can quite easily gain linked access to the full study as originally published in the "American Journal of Medicine" - Gun Ownership and Firearm-related Deaths ... study authors are two medical doctors from the New York University School of Medicine

Links? Or just trust you?

the article appears fully sourced... in regards your question, per your own quote of the article, both studies referenced have provided links.

That's funny. The "empirical data" from other studies puts the figure for DGUs between 650,000 and 2,000,000 per year. Could it be that the article is using a highly restrictive definition of DGU to bolster its conclusion?

Nah, that would be dishonest. Can't spot any agenda here.

again, the Slate article's linked reference (politico.com) speaks to the origination of "DGU" (as used by the gun industry/proponents) as the 1992 random digit-dial survey of 5000 individuals... that was extrapolated to the U.S., at large, providing the "de-facto" claims of a U.S. DGU estimate of between 1 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year. Of course, the article also speaks to other studies/references that dispute this figure; that speak to bias in that 1992 "phone survey".

Do you think you could get a quality upgrade in your propaganda, mentalfloss? Like maybe an article that doesn't argue against itself? Or possibly one that reviews data objectively, instead of starting with a conclusion and cherry-picking data to support it?

I mean, c'mon, this is tripe.

an article and results you clearly don't favour is..... "propaganda"??? I read an article that is heavily sourced with linked references. You appear to have no interest/inclination to actually follow the sourced references. Is there a problem?
 

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Any country born of violent revolution and the genocide of its indigenous people and who is a constant state of war is destined to end violently.

Waaaaa waaaaaa.

I'm sure Canada's natives gladly handed over their land to your ancestors... your WHITE ancestors... not your imaginary ones.
 

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However, another recent study from May of 2013 analyzed the impact of state firearm laws on firearm-related fatalities. It found that the most gun-restrictive states have significantly fewer firearm fatalities than the states with the least restrictive laws.

Oh goody. Back to firearms deaths.

We have already dealt with accident/suicide stats, that leaves homicide.

So CAN YOU THINK FOR YOURSELF?

The Brady Campaign rating of states for their gun control:

http://www.bradycampaign.org/sites/default/files/SCGLM-Final10-spreads-points.pdf

Murder rate by state:

Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information Center

GO AHEAD.

Find a correlation.

Good luck.

Oh here, let me help........

Lowest murder rate: Iowa: 1.4 per 100,000 Brady rating C-
Second lowest: Hawaii: 1.5 per 100,000 Brady rating B+
Third lowest: Vermont: 1.6 per 100,000 Brady rating F
Fourth lowest: Utah: 1.7 per 100,000 Brady rating F

And the states with the best ratings?

California: Highest Brady Rating of A- :Murder rate 4.6 per 100,000
New York: Highest Brady Rating of A- Murder rate 3.3 per 100,000
Maryland: Highest Brady Rating of A- Murder rate 6.4 per 100,000
Connecticut: Highest Brady Rating of A- Murder rate 2.4 per 100,000

Those are the ONLY states with any kind of "A" rating.
 

DaSleeper

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Why call 911 to have someone with a gun take 6 mins to come rescue you from someone who has a knife?
Just clean his clock with this......