This fellow is ruined for life? What do you think? Accusers and the Accused, Crossing

Goober

Hall of Fame Member
Jan 23, 2009
24,691
116
63
Moving
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/22/n...d-crossing-paths-at-columbia.html?ref=us&_r=0

This fellow is ruined for life? What do you think?
Accusers and the Accused, Crossing Paths at Columbia University

Knit cap pulled down over his ears, shoulders hunched against the biting wind, Paul Nungesser was almost indistinguishable from the dozen or so other students traversing the steps of Columbia University’s Low Memorial Library one menacing December day. But a few of those students recognized him anyway, flicking their eyes up for a discreet peek before hurrying on to the last classes of the semester.

He has gotten used to former friends crossing the street to avoid him. He has even gotten used to being denounced as a rapist on fliers and in a rally in the university’s quadrangle. Though his name is not widely known beyond the Morningside Heights campus, Mr. Nungesser is one of America’s most notorious college students. His reputation precedes him.

His notoriety is the result of a campaign by Emma Sulkowicz, a fellow student who says Mr. Nungesser raped her in her dorm room two years ago. Columbia cleared him of responsibility in that case, as well as in two others that students brought against him. Outraged, Ms. Sulkowicz began carrying a 50-pound mattress wherever she went on campus, to suggest the painful burden she continues to bear. She has vowed to keep at it until he leaves the school.

He says that he is innocent, and that the same university that found him “not responsible” has now abdicated its own responsibility, letting mob justice overrule its official procedures. The mattress project is not an act of free expression, he adds; it is an act of bullying, a very public, very personal and very painful attack designed to hound him out of Columbia. And it is being conducted with the university’s active support. “There is a member of the faculty that is supervising this,” he said. “This is part of her graduation requirement.”

Columbia’s president, Lee C. Bollinger, while declining to address the matter directly, offered a general statement: “The law and principles of academic freedom allow students to express themselves on issues of public debate; at the same time, our legal and ethical responsibility is to be fair and impartial in protecting the rights and accommodating the concerns of all students in these matters.”

Three Complaints Filed

Ms. Sulkowicz says that in August 2012, during an otherwise consensual encounter, Mr. Nungesser hit her, pinned her down and, despite her protests, raped her. Another woman accused him of following her up the stairs at a party for the literary society they both belonged to and groping her until she pushed him off. A third woman accused him of multiple episodes of “intimate partner violence” — emotional abuse and nonconsensual sex during a months long relationship.

In an interview, her mother, Sandra Leong, said the university left Mr. Nungesser in an untenable position. Regarding a hearing process in which so many Columbia students appear to have lost faith, Ms. Leong, who lives in Manhattan said, “I think by sweeping it under the rug they’ve subjected him to a very painful, scarring experience. I don’t see it as Emma’s fault because she just had to do what she had to do but I do see it as the school’s fault.”

“He probably also is holding on for dear life because it’s a free education,” she added. “But ostracism is also horrible. It’s just a debacle.”
 

Sal

Hall of Fame Member
Sep 29, 2007
17,135
33
48
A false accusation does just as much and possibly more damage than a legit one.
I don't think it was false...he was merely found not responsible whatever the hell that means

sounds like neither are happy with the outcome
 

Scooby

Electoral Member
Mar 22, 2012
403
0
16
Alberta
'tis probably best for every male to keep to porn and/or prostitutes for sexual release and avoid contact with women as much as possible, unless your gay...
 

Sal

Hall of Fame Member
Sep 29, 2007
17,135
33
48
'tis probably best for every male to keep to porn and/or prostitutes for sexual release and avoid contact with women as much as possible, unless your gay...
no

it's probably best for every male to learn that no means no, and no drug should be involved that she doesn't know about and if you are going to choke her or pull her hair or handcuff her or have any of those activities done to you. that it is spoken of prior to and there is a safety word....then every one is happy
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
55,600
7,090
113
Washington DC
'tis probably best for every male to keep to porn and/or prostitutes for sexual release and avoid contact with women as much as possible, unless your gay...

Yep. Nowadays a casual hookup, or even a fight with an established girlfriend, can lead to a charge of rape. And 50 years ago, a casual hookup or fight with an established girlfriend could lead to her father and brothers coming by for a quiet conversation with Louisville Sluggers.

The rule is the same as it always was. If you're not man enough to get in the game, risks and all, stay at home and jerk off and whine about how oppressed poor, poor little you are.
 

SLM

The Velvet Hammer
Mar 5, 2011
29,151
3
36
London, Ontario
'tis probably best for every male to keep to porn and/or prostitutes for sexual release and avoid contact with women as much as possible, unless your gay...

Or, you know, treat women as a sexual partner instead of a repository for their sexual release.
 

Scooby

Electoral Member
Mar 22, 2012
403
0
16
Alberta
Yep. Nowadays a casual hookup, or even a fight with an established girlfriend, can lead to a charge of rape. And 50 years ago, a casual hookup or fight with an established girlfriend could lead to her father and brothers coming by for a quiet conversation with Louisville Sluggers.

The rule is the same as it always was. If you're not man enough to get in the game, risks and all, stay at home and jerk off and whine about how oppressed poor, poor little you are.

Your statement exemplifies why so many men stay out of the "game" Women form their attitudes on men based on the actions of a few, a prejudice indeed.

I believe in fathers and brothers defending their family members with violent reprisals, a much more effective deterrent that our justice system today.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

The End of the Dog is Coming!
Mar 19, 2006
11,361
572
113
59
Alberta
no

it's probably best for every male to learn that no means no, and no drug should be involved that she doesn't know about and if you are going to choke her or pull her hair or handcuff her or have any of those activities done to you. that it is spoken of prior to and there is a safety word....then every one is happy

Or, if you're an NDP candidate, "Yes" means "No" or "vagueness means no" or "Merry Christmas" means "no."

If someone rapes you file charges.
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
55,600
7,090
113
Washington DC
Your statement exemplifies why so many men stay out of the "game" Women form their attitudes on men based on the actions of a few, a prejudice indeed.
Precisely. Stay out of the game. Faint heart never won fair hand. Only the brave deserve the fair. There's a ton free porn on the internet, lube is cheap, and your arms are long enough. Enjoy.

I believe in fathers and brothers defending their family members with violent reprisals, a much more effective deterrent that our justice system today.
Bully for you.
 

Corduroy

Senate Member
Feb 9, 2011
6,670
2
36
Vancouver, BC
There are plenty of people out there willing to defend him and dump all their misogynistic paranoia into his situation. He should start seeking donations.
 

Sal

Hall of Fame Member
Sep 29, 2007
17,135
33
48
Or, if you're an NDP candidate, "Yes" means "No" or "vagueness means no" or "Merry Christmas" means "no."

If someone rapes you file charges.
lol........well there are some yes

it's best to be clear in every situation, political, sexual, emotional, mental...

say what ya mean and mean what ya say

lots won't like it but they will know exactly where they stand
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
55,600
7,090
113
Washington DC
There are plenty of people out there willing to defend him and dump all their misogynistic paranoia into his situation. He should start seeking donations.

One imagines he's been turned down a LOT.

Maybe it's his winning personality.

Oops, misspelled that. Make it "whining."
 

IdRatherBeSkiing

Satelitte Radio Addict
May 28, 2007
14,614
2,362
113
Toronto, ON
Considering what's at stake for women, it's better err on the side of caution.

What's at stake? If she was raped, she should have filed charges. Since she didn't I can only conclude it was buyers remorse which is not rape.

Innocent until proven guilty is a pretty good system.