Oil price drop threatens to reduce revenues at Canada's top banks

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Oil price drop threatens to reduce revenues at Canada's top banks



Oil prices that reached a five-year low on Friday are starting to take a bite out of profits at TD Bank and are raising concerns for the rest of the country's top lenders.

Canada's biggest banks earn up to 20 per cent of their revenues through providing investment and corporate banking services, with oil and gas companies an important part of that client base.

But oil prices have tumbled roughly 35 per cent to under $70 a barrel from their mid-summer highs due to a strong U.S. dollar, low demand and a glut of global supply, and now TD Bank says it will have to look beyond the oilpatch to make up its investment banking revenue.

"With the current activity going on in oil pricing, it certainly is impacting activity levels in the business," Bob Dorrance, the head of TD's wholesale banking division, told investors during a conference call earlier this week after the bank reported its fourth quarter results.

"Things have slowed down."

Scotiabank was the last of Canada's five big banks to report its quarterly earnings this week, wrapping up a series of conference calls that were peppered with talk about falling oil prices.

Energy sector dragging down stocks

The energy sector — a major weight on the Toronto Stock Exchange — has taken a beating on the markets and has taken other stocks, including those with indirect exposure to companies that produce crude, down with it.

While all of the country's top lenders reported substantial profits during the quarter, Canaccord Genuity analyst Gabriel Deschaine noted that lacklustre performance on the stock markets caused many of the banks to report weaker than expected revenues from their brokerage businesses.

Scotia Capital analyst Sumit Malhotra says roughly 30 per cent of the underwriting fees — fees from administering new issues on the stock markets — earned by Canada's six top banks this year came from the energy sector.

A drop in commodity prices could make resource companies less likely to make a public offering on the market, said Malhotra, pointing to Teine Energy as an example.

The Canadian oil and gas producer had been planning an initial public offering but a Bloomberg News report in October said the company delayed the debut due to the decline in oil prices.

"While we do not want to be too alarmist in this regard, it should be clear that the capital markets operations of the banks have played a key role in driving revenue and earnings growth for the Canadian banking sector in 2014, and any sustained period of weakness in the energy sector would be detrimental to activity levels going forward," Malhotra wrote in a note to clients.



Banks doing stress tests on loans

The plummeting oil prices have also caused some concerns about whether oilpatch companies will default on their loans and create financial burdens for the banks.

The big banks say they are regularly performing stress tests on their loan portfolios to see how they will fare in a continued low oil price environment. So far they say there is no cause for concern, even if oil drops down to $60 a barrel and stays that way for up to two years.

"With oil prices, it's always about how long it goes on for," RBC's chief risk officer Mark Hughes told investors during the bank's fourth quarter conference call on Wednesday.

Nonetheless, chief risk officers at all of the big banks say they are keeping tabs on the situation.

"If oil prices remain depressed, there will be some strain on some of these loans," BMO's chief risk officer Surjit Rajpal told investors during a conference call about the bank's fourth quarter results Tuesday.

Malhotra notes that oil and gas related loans make up only about six per cent of the banks' combined business loan portfolios, and only two per cent of their entire combined loan book.

"Though an extended period of weakness in energy prices would clearly impact credit quality trends, in our view the size of the portfolio is not large enough to materially weigh on either credit or growth trends," Malhotra said.

However, there is another way that slumping oil prices could reduce the quality of the banks' loan books.

"I'm looking more at what this means at the guys working the oil fields," said Morningstar equity analyst Dan Werner. "Are they going to be out of a job because rigs are going to be shutting down? It doesn't sound like it at this point because I think the base cost of extraction is below where the price is."

But if plunging prices leave workers unemployed, that may leave them unable to make their mortgage payments, said Werner. That, in turn, would hurt the banks.

"Right now the evidence doesn't seem to be there in terms of wells being shut down yet," said Werner. "So we'll see."

source: Oil price drop threatens to reduce revenues at Canada's top banks - Calgary - CBC News
 

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Markets go up and down. If gubmint gets involved it always goes down.
 

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Some people could find a downside in winning the lottery. Banks never loose money. As the price at the pump drops people have more disposable income to spread around instead of having to decide if they are buying gas to go to work or groceries. With the dollar dropping manufacturing will also pick up so in the end it will most likely be a wash.
 

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If the concern is to keep the price of oil up, we must stop promoting energy efficiency. :)

Maybe we can scrap free trade too to create more jobs for truckers having to drive cross country rather than just border hopping short distances.
I'm sure we can find all kinds of energy inefficiencies to promote. Pro-idling laws come to mind.

Maybe we could also pass a law that people above a certain income must buy a car, and the upper middld class must buy hummers or big trucks.
 

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If the concern is to keep the price of oil up, we must stop promoting energy efficiency. :)

Maybe we can scrap free trade too to create more jobs for truckers having to drive cross country rather than just border hopping short distances.
I'm sure we can find all kinds of energy inefficiencies to promote. Pro-idling laws come to mind.

Maybe we could also pass a law that people above a certain income must buy a car, and the upper middld class must buy hummers or big trucks.

Refuse to buy products from any country that does not buy our oil.
 

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Refuse to buy products from any country that does not buy our oil.

Any oil. It's a global market anyway. Ban solar cells! Criminalize cycling! Impose trade sanctions on countries that so much as allow cycling and solar cells.
 

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Ban all new high rises, build more motorways, and actively encourage suburban sprawl.
Make driving lessons, cars and drivers licences free and subsidize oils.

Introduce a special public transit tax on transit passes.

All new townhouse development ought to be prohibited too. Only single family homes allowed. The really big ones should be tax free, but tax the hell out if condos and townhouses. Prohibit residential development in the central business district and prohibit business development in the suburbs.
 

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Ban all new high rises, build more motorways, and actively encourage suburban sprawl.
Make driving lessons, cars and drivers licences free and subsidize oils.

Introduce a special public transit tax on transit passes.

All new townhouse development ought to be prohibited too. Only single family homes allowed. The really big ones should be tax free, but tax the hell out if condos and townhouses. Prohibit residential development in the central business district and prohibit business development in the suburbs.

We are already one up on you. The rich retirees from elsewhere that are infesting my Island have already banned industry everywhere so locals must fly to oilberta to work. Now if only we could make it a daily commute instead of living in camps it would be a win win.
 

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Some people could find a downside in winning the lottery. Banks never loose money. As the price at the pump drops people have more disposable income to spread around instead of having to decide if they are buying gas to go to work or groceries. With the dollar dropping manufacturing will also pick up so in the end it will most likely be a wash.

I am with you. I do not feel sorry for having extra cash to spend with costs going down at the pump and for heating oil. I paid $2.59 the other day for gas. My first oil payment came in and I saved almost $200.

So no... I am not feeling much sympathy for Big Oil in the US or OPEC.
 

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If the concern is to keep the price of oil up, we must stop promoting energy efficiency. :)

Maybe we can scrap free trade too to create more jobs for truckers having to drive cross country rather than just border hopping short distances.
I'm sure we can find all kinds of energy inefficiencies to promote. Pro-idling laws come to mind.

Maybe we could also pass a law that people above a certain income must buy a car, and the upper middld class must buy hummers or big trucks.

Have you gotten rid of your car yet?
 

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We are already one up on you. The rich retirees from elsewhere that are infesting my Island have already banned industry everywhere so locals must fly to oilberta to work. Now if only we could make it a daily commute instead of living in camps it would be a win win.


Thanks. Never thought of that. Subsidize flights!

I am with you. I do not feel sorry for having extra cash to spend with costs going down at the pump and for heating oil. I paid $2.59 the other day for gas. My first oil payment came in and I saved almost $200.

So no... I am not feeling much sympathy for Big Oil in the US or OPEC.

Have a heart man. You do realize that the CEO's s of less profitable oil companies might have to abandon the dream of buying g a brand new private jet and settle for a year-old hand-me-down.

How would you feel about that eh?
 

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Have a heart man. You do realize that the CEO's s of less profitable oil companies might have to abandon the dream of buying g a brand new private jet and settle for a year-old hand-me-down.

How would you feel about that eh?

Well if only that were true.
 

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Some already get a travel bonus of $1000 a month.

I was waiting for you to say something about the drop in oil prices. I remember a number of years back I started a thread with the rumblings of when fracking (N. American oil) starts hitting the market that it would send some shock waves into OPEC and we discussed it. And it looks as if that has happened. Back then it seemed so impossible.

Why is working for a living and doing well a bad thing?

I've no issues with it.

Geez... It was only last year in July when I started the thread. It felt like much longer.

July 2013

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/117478-north-american-shale.html