Kurdistan - Will it happen?

Kurdistan - Will they declare?

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Goober

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Kurdistan - Will they declare?
Iraqi Kurds take step toward independence - The Washington Post

BAGHDAD — Iraq’s Kurdish minority took one step closer Thursday to going its own way, even as politicians in Baghdad, including Kurds, wrangled over the formation of a new central government that would appease the country’s deeply divided factions.

Massoud Barzani, president of the largely autonomous Kurdistan Regional Government, called Thursday for a referendum on the region’s independence, telling the Kurdish parliament to prepare for such a vote, the Associated Press reported.

Barzani’s call came as Iraq’s government denied reports from Saudi news channel al-Arabiya that Iraqi forces had withdrawn from the country’s border with Saudi Arabia, compelling Riyadh to send 30,000 troops to secure its 500-mile shared frontier.

Earlier this week, al-Qaeda-inspired militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria declared an Islamic caliphate spanning the areas under their control from northern Syria to eastern Iraq.

The Sunni militants, who now call themselves the Islamic State, have swiftly seized territory along Iraq’s western borders and have come within 45 miles of Baghdad, the capital.

Lt. General Qassim Atta, a spokesman for Iraq’s armed forces, told reporters Thursday that despite the news reports, the border was under the full control of Iraqi forces.

Iraq has separated into three increasingly distinct territories since the Islamic State routed the government’s forces and took over a vast stretch of territory, including the northern city of Mosul, last month.

The new Iraq, as many analysts are referring to it, consists of a relatively stable far north, long controlled by the Kurds; a western and central swath of territory now controlled by the Sunni jihadists; and a capital and south that remain under the tenuous control of the Shiite-dominated Iraqi government and its militia allies.

In the north, the Kurds have taken advantage of the Iraqi forces’ collapse to consolidate their authority over the contested, oil-rich city of Kirkuk. They also have established a front line against the Islamic State militants to replace what was once a boundary between Iraqi Kurdistan and the rest of the country.

Barzani did not lay out a timeline for independence Thursday, but he told the Kurdish parliament that the Kurds need to “hurry up” in pushing forward with a referendum. They will be “in a better position” if they do so, he said, according to the AP.

Also Thursday, the Islamic State released 32 Turkish truck drivers whom they had captured last month while sweeping across northern Iraq, wire services reported.

The drivers were reunited with their families after they crossed into southern Turkey, according to Reuters.

Some 49 Turks remain in the militants’ hands.

The militants also are holding at least 46 Indian nurses in the central Iraqi city of Tikrit, and according to Indian media they moved the nurses out of a hospital in the city to another location on Thursday.

Iraqi government forces are days into an offensive to retake the city.
 

WLDB

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It more or less already exists and has for some time. Sooner or later I imagine it will become formal. When it happens I imagine most in the west will be quick to recognize Kurdistan. They may have trouble with Turkey and other parts of Iraq though.
 

EagleSmack

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If they do get recognized I wonder if they will be able to hold it.


I think eventually they will have to really defend themselves.
 

gopher

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The future will be interesting as many Kurdi advocates have long been demanding their own independent homeland. But there is a problem (actually many) - will Kurdistan's boundaries include tribal lands in Iran, Syria, and Turkey? Who gets the oil since it is claimed by so many? While Kurdis have long claimed to be victims of ethnic discrimination from Arabs, Turks, and to a lesser extent Iranians, minorities within its borders claim to be victimized by Kurdish authorities. Will they join in on the newly formed political entity or must they be forced out??


Turkey has gone on record that it will invade if a declaration of independence is made. Who else will join the fray to prevent it or join to support it?


Kurdish independence is no guarantee of freedom for anyone. But it should very interesting ...
 

Spade

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Not if Turkey has a say.
What does America want? Self determination, as in the Eastern Ukraine, will be secondary.
Territorial integrity anyone?
 

WLDB

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If they do get recognized I wonder if they will be able to hold it.


I think eventually they will have to really defend themselves.

They probably have a better chance of holding their own than the current government in Baghdad has.
 

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Since the current lines onnthe map are arbitrary and suit no one in the area it should not be too difficult to redraw them. No one will like them then either but they will be different.
 

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The Kurds are the odd man out in this equation and if they are going to better their lot
they have to move to govern themselves. Iraq could find itself in a state of total civil
war within days. The Kurds whether or not they declare they'll have to defend the
area they are claiming as theirs
 

WLDB

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Iraq could find itself in a state of total civil
war within days. The Kurds whether or not they declare they'll have to defend the
area they are claiming as theirs

They've been in a civil war for years.

Turkey is a NATO member. Any move by the Kurds will draw Turkey and NATO in. Independence? Not a chance.

The Iraqi portion could. The Turks wouldn't let their part go Im sure, but who knows. Perhaps the Kurds in Turkey will resist the Turkish government on that. Turkey like Iraq is just another country arbitrarily thrown on the map at the end of WW1.
 

EagleSmack

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The Kurds are the odd man out in this equation and if they are going to better their lot
they have to move to govern themselves. Iraq could find itself in a state of total civil
war within days. The Kurds whether or not they declare they'll have to defend the
area they are claiming as theirs


IMO Iraq is in a full blown Civil War already.
 

gopher

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Turkey is a NATO member. Any move by the Kurds will draw Turkey and NATO in. Independence? Not a chance.



NATO stood by as Turkey invaded its own Kurdish province and killed more Kurds than Saddam did. If Kurds in that country decide to leave Ankara will likely give an F-U to NATO and kill even more people.
 

Spade

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NATO stood by as Turkey invaded its own Kurdish province and killed more Kurds than Saddam did. If Kurds in that country decide to leave Ankara will likely give an F-U to NATO and kill even more people.

As a NATO member, if regional squabbles break out, NATO would be obligated to assist Turkey. Another irony thanks to George II.
 

WLDB

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As a NATO member, if regional squabbles break out, NATO would be obligated to assist Turkey. Another irony thanks to George II.

Saw a movie that said NATO stood for "No Action, Talk Only." I wouldn't mind if it went that way on this issue. Or if it just ceased to exist altogether. The Cold War is done.
 

darkbeaver

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As a NATO member, if regional squabbles break out, NATO would be obligated to assist Turkey. Another irony thanks to George II.

NATO is a paper tiger. Their assistance would be to get crushed the first week.

IMO Iraq is in a full blown Civil War already.

You always neglect the details. Another American death dance. It's indepen-dense day shouldn't you be looking for alien invasion forces?