Vaccinations are 'proven to work': Melinda Gates, Stephen Harper


Locutus
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Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he doesn’t understand why people in the developed world don’t get vaccinated.

Harper, speaking alongside Melinda Gates in an exclusive TV interview with the CBC’s Hannah Thibedeau, said vaccinations have been “lifesavers” in our society and elsewhere.

video:


Vaccinations are 'proven to work': Melinda Gates, Stephen Harper - Politics - CBC News
 
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tay
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There's been a good series on TVO lately on this subject.


Videos can be watched at the link.........




The Black Death wiped out close to a quarter of the world's population. Even our familiar foe 'the flu' was one of the deadliest infectious diseases of the twentieth century. Fighting these killers is an ongoing battle, as each infection adapts to outwit our defences. Ancient treatments ranged from using leeches to suck out blood to performing strange magical rituals, but nothing stopped the infection - until we discovered antibiotics. The average person now takes two courses of antibiotics every year. In the war against infection, we've begun to harness science to fight back, developing 'magic bullets' designed to kill specific infections without harming the body's own cells. Yet even as we're discovering new uses for antibiotics, the original infections are developing new drug-resistant strains.





Pain, Pus and Poison | TVO
 
mentalfloss
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Harper's just a weeeeeeee bit late on this one.
 
taxslave
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One possible answer is we have been lied to by BIG PHARMA once too often.
 
Spade
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Vaccinations save lives - the lives of your children and those who come in contact with your children. Vaccinations should be mandatory.
 
Zipperfish
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The reason people don't get vaccinated is the same reason people deny climate change. They don't believe the scientists, and the more outsiders try to tell them that teh scientists are right, the more they are disinclined to believe in vaccinations.
 
relic
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It did sound odd to hear steve say he believed in any kind of science though.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

The reason people don't get vaccinated is the same reason people deny climate change. They don't believe the scientists, and the more outsiders try to tell them that teh scientists are right, the more they are disinclined to believe in vaccinations.

They also like to believe movie stars and people who are famous for things other then scientific education and training.
 
BornRuff
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Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

They also like to believe movie stars and people who are famous for things other then scientific education and training.

Don't sell them short. Jenny McCarthy was published in one of the world's most prominent journals of anatomy.
 
Twila
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Quote: Originally Posted by BornRuffView Post

Don't sell them short. Jenny McCarthy was published in one of the world's most prominent journals of anatomy.

Nothing wrong with her anatomy...it's her brain that seems to believe her fame and her intelligence are one and the same as do those who took her words as wisdom
 
Tonington
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Measles Cases In The US Reach 20-Year High | I ****ing Love Science
Between January 1 and May 23 of this year, 288 cases of measles in the U.S. were reported to the CDC, making it the largest number of reported cases within the first 5 months of the year since 1994. Why are we seeing this surge in measles? According to the CDC, it’s mostly because of international travel by unvaccinated individuals. 97% of the cases so far were so called “importations”, where individuals have caught the disease from another country and brought it back. Furthermore, 90% of the infected individuals were either unvaccinated or did not know their vaccination status. 85% of the unvaccinated individuals said that they remained unvaccinated because of personal, philosophical or religious reasons.




Looks like they're starting to figure it out elsewhere:
New vaccinations required for Maryland students when school year begins - The Washington Post
New vaccinations will be required for Maryland students entering kindergarten and seventh grade when the new school year starts in August, health officials said this week.

Children starting kindergarten must have two chicken pox vaccinations, rather than one, and students headed into seventh grade need Tdap (tetanus-diphtheria-attenuated pertussis) and meningococcal vaccinations, officials said.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

One possible answer is we have been lied to by BIG PHARMA once too often.

Exactly right.

how does one know when or if scientists who present certain conclusions as fact are attached to big pharmaceuticals or if it is pure and true research done for humanity

is there a single profession left that has not sold out?

no

there are only individuals within these groups who have not and oft times they are scorned and made to look foolish

an example of this is the recent thought surfacing about low fat food and what it may actually being doing to our bodies (making us fat)

how does an individual know? we have to rely on "experts" but experts are attached to money making machines

always follow the money trail...

stats can easily be manipulated to lean in the direction one wishes

we get mislead daily why would we trust anyone, there is always an agenda
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Vaccinations save lives - the lives of your children and those who come in contact with your children. Vaccinations should be mandatory.

They are, try and send yer kid to skool without being vaccinated.

Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

They also like to believe movie stars and people who are famous for things other then scientific education and training.

The ones not getting vaccinated are the biggest proponents of man-made climate change.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

They are, try and send yer kid to skool without being vaccinated.

well, yes and no...if you can prove that it violates your rights you can be exempted

on the immunization card there is a section which can be signed off explaining why you are refusing

otherwise the kid is suspended until the card is updated (meaning shots have been received)
 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

well, yes and no...if you can prove that it violates your rights you can be exempted

on the immunization card there is a section which can be signed off explaining why you are refusing

otherwise the kid is suspended until the card is updated (meaning shots have been received)

So, in other words, yes.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

So, in other words, yes.

they are mandatory but people get round it all of the time
 
SLM
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The part that boggles my mind when it comes to those who are opposed to "Big Pharma" or conventional medical science is the prevalence towards making it a strict either/or scenario. A 'you're either with us or you're with the terrorists' kind of mindset. Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning 'conventional' wisdom, in fact we should question it, it's the only way we move forward. But to categorically label all 'western medicine and science' as evil, which seems to be what most are doing, seems short sighted to me. Because I read all this stuff, how drug companies and science are all about spinning the truth, taking your money and not producing, (and it all has the flavour of "conspiracy theory" to me) and what springs to my mind is 'What about AIDS and HIV?'. Yes, there are still some aggressive strains out there, yes education and behaviour have had an impact in reducing diagnosis of those with HIV. But bottom line to me, 25-30 years ago, contracting HIV was a for certain death sentence, today it is a manageable condition with the proper medical treatments. Maybe that's too simplistic, I'm not a 'science minded' individual but as far as anecdotal evidence goes, I'd say it's pretty compelling.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

The part that boggles my mind when it comes to those who are opposed to "Big Pharma" or conventional medical science is the prevalence towards making it a strict either/or scenario. A 'you're either with us or you're with the terrorists' kind of mindset. Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning 'conventional' wisdom, in fact we should question it, it's the only way we move forward. But to categorically label all 'western medicine and science' as evil, which seems to be what most are doing, seems short sighted to me. Because I read all this stuff, how drug companies and science are all about spinning the truth, taking your money and not producing, (and it all has the flavour of "conspiracy theory" to me) and what springs to my mind is 'What about AIDS and HIV?'. Yes, there are still some aggressive strains out there, yes education and behaviour have had an impact in reducing diagnosis of those with HIV. But bottom line to me, 25-30 years ago, contracting HIV was a for certain death sentence, today it is a manageable condition with the proper medical treatments. Maybe that's too simplistic, I'm not a 'science minded' individual but as far as anecdotal evidence goes, I'd say it's pretty compelling.

but it is the same with anything, you like a balanced approach slide one way for one thing and another for something else...many are not that way...for them it's all or nothing

it's a mind set

I'm left, I'm right

often those most balanced are called fence sitters and regarded by both ends as less than nothing

it's always perspective...some people never move to change the angle of their view they see the tail of the elephant but never the trunk or sides
 
SLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by SalView Post

but it is the same with anything, you like a balanced approach slide one way for one thing and another for something else...many are not that way...for them it's all or nothing

it's a mind set

I'm left, I'm right

often those most balanced are called fence sitters and regarded by both ends as less than nothing

it's always perspective...some people never move to change the angle of their view they see the tail of the elephant but never the trunk or sides

I think it's more than simply preference, it limits understanding. Not being willing to accept certain answers, in other words going in with your mind made up, is limiting. And for how you want to live your individual life, that's fine. Happy trails I'd say.

But when the topic is something like vaccinations and leaving your children unvaccinated, the threat to the health and well being of others is very, very real.
 
taxslave
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Quote: Originally Posted by SLMView Post

The part that boggles my mind when it comes to those who are opposed to "Big Pharma" or conventional medical science is the prevalence towards making it a strict either/or scenario. A 'you're either with us or you're with the terrorists' kind of mindset. Personally I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning 'conventional' wisdom, in fact we should question it, it's the only way we move forward. But to categorically label all 'western medicine and science' as evil, which seems to be what most are doing, seems short sighted to me. Because I read all this stuff, how drug companies and science are all about spinning the truth, taking your money and not producing, (and it all has the flavour of "conspiracy theory" to me) and what springs to my mind is 'What about AIDS and HIV?'. Yes, there are still some aggressive strains out there, yes education and behaviour have had an impact in reducing diagnosis of those with HIV. But bottom line to me, 25-30 years ago, contracting HIV was a for certain death sentence, today it is a manageable condition with the proper medical treatments. Maybe that's too simplistic, I'm not a 'science minded' individual but as far as anecdotal evidence goes, I'd say it's pretty compelling.

Which is all BIGPHARMA really wants. To manage a desease. Acured patient is no longer a revenue stream.
 
captain morgan
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Quote: Originally Posted by mentalflossView Post

Harper's just a weeeeeeee bit late on this one.

YEs, Harper should have sent in the army and forcibly vaccinated folks in the developing world

Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

The reason people don't get vaccinated is the same reason people deny climate change. They don't believe the scientists, and the more outsiders try to tell them that teh scientists are right, the more they are disinclined to believe in vaccinations.

Thanks - had a good laugh on the uber-stretch of logic on that one

PS - Included Twila's post for your perusal on the AGW front... Think Robbie Redford and Neil Young

Quote: Originally Posted by TwilaView Post

They also like to believe movie stars and people who are famous for things other then scientific education and training.

 
Colpy
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#22
This needs to be here:

Penn and Teller on Vaccinations - YouTube

 
Walter
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

This needs to be here:

Penn and Teller on Vaccinations - YouTube

Why doesn't teller talk?
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by ZipperfishView Post

The reason people don't get vaccinated is the same reason people deny climate change. They don't believe the scientists, and the more outsiders try to tell them that teh scientists are right, the more they are disinclined to believe in vaccinations.

The scientists told us that vaccinations would save lives and even erradicate one of the world's worst diseases (small pox)

They did.

The "scientists" told us that the North Pole would be ice free, the temperature rise was going to follow the disasterous prediction of a hockey-stick graph, and rising sea levels would flood cities, and disasterous weather events would multiply astronomically.......

They did NOT.

Can you tell the difference??

Think Chicken Little, or if you prefer, the Boy Who Cried Wolf...........

Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Why doesn't teller talk?


It is just part of the act.....he does talk in interviews.

Teller Speaks - YouTube

 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by WalterView Post

Why doesn't teller talk?

it's part of their schtick

Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

This needs to be here:

Penn and Teller on Vaccinations - YouTube

excellent
 
Tonington
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Quote: Originally Posted by taxslaveView Post

Which is all BIGPHARMA really wants. To manage a desease. Acured patient is no longer a revenue stream.

That is such a load of crap, I'm consistently surprised at how this talking point manages to survive. Think of each illness as a market. If my company has the only cure, then we control that market. All the other pharmaceuticals with indications that manage that disease instead of curing it will all lose vast amounts of money. Their patents will be meaningless, and they will lose their development costs because nobody wants to buy their medication when they can buy ours which will cure them.

And how would it no longer be a revenue stream? New humans are being born every day, and the disease will have some prevalence that it occurs at in the population. Having the only cure means you have the monopoly as long as your patent is protected. From a competitive stand point, having a cure would be a huge win. Your competitors lose money, and you gain it all.

If pharmaceuticals were not interested in preventing disease, there would be no vaccines produced by pharmaceuticals. That is obviously not the case.
 
JLM
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Vaccinations save lives - the lives of your children and those who come in contact with your children. Vaccinations should be mandatory.

Yeah, people who keep denigrating vaccinations are NUTS!
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by JLMView Post

Yeah, people who keep denigrating vaccinations are NUTS!

in general or just their belief in this area?
 
Colpy
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Quote: Originally Posted by SpadeView Post

Vaccinations save lives - the lives of your children and those who come in contact with your children. Vaccinations should be mandatory.

It would not be right to make ANY invasive procedure mandatory.........however, one can make it so children can not attend public school unless they are vaccinated.
 
Sal
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Quote: Originally Posted by ColpyView Post

It would not be right to make ANY invasive procedure mandatory.........however, one can make it so children can not attend public school unless they are vaccinated.

agreed and most people do it anyway, so far it is not an issue

I should qualify that statement by saying at least from my limited experience in my job and community
 

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